2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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K1Plus wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 11:33
It will be tough tomorrow. P4 and P5 is doable. Aston Martin has an excellent top speed and aero efficiency.
Alonso will do what he does best, slightly slow his pace down so he saves it for later, then push at the end.
Just because Carlos struggled to overtake him in the sprint does not mean others can’t

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dialtone wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 07:44
deadhead wrote:Weird move by Sainz but I get it .. he is trying to show everyone that he is a top tier driver
By showing he’s willing to crash his teammate?
Things like this are probably why other teams seem hesitant to sign him.

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There's no reason weather permitting Ferrari can't get a P3 & P4.
Over the race distance Ferrari should have plenty enough to get past the McLaren's and Alonso.
It may take a good few laps and Red Bull will be out of sight but barring incidents I fully expect a P3 & P4 finish.

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Sainz apparently seemed to have lost at least 20/25 points of downforce in the contact with Alonso. The side chute on his Ferrari is being replaced
A lion must kill its prey.

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dia6olo wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 14:05
There's no reason weather permitting Ferrari can't get a P3 & P4.
Over the race distance Ferrari should have plenty enough to get past the McLaren's and Alonso.
It may take a good few laps and Red Bull will be out of sight but barring incidents I fully expect a P3 & P4 finish.
Alonso will be a problem, AM's very quick down the straight. Might be a while before his tyres are dead enough to get past him.

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With the weekend's conditions the track has become rear-limited. This is unfavourable for the sf-24 hence the worse-than-expected situation

Regardless, if incidents are avoided P3/p4 will be inevitable. Unless sainz protest goes somewhere

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organic wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 14:43
With the weekend's conditions the track has become rear-limited. This is unfavourable for the sf-24 hence the worse-than-expected situation

Regardless, if incidents are avoided P3/p4 will be inevitable. Unless sainz protest goes somewhere
I think it's inevitable they pass Alonso and Piastri, but Norris could be a tough nut to crack.

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dialtone wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 07:44
deadhead wrote:Weird move by Sainz but I get it .. he is trying to show everyone that he is a top tier driver
By showing he’s willing to crash his teammate?
That was very "Ocon" of him.

The problem in qualfifying all in S1, failing to properly warm up the tires again?

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Again, it seems like tyre preparation/warm up was the biggest issue today and it's apparent that this will only be solved by upgrades (or it will solve itself on hotter races obviously, like dialtone said). The deg is excellent, but the trade off between qualifying pace and race pace is too big at the moment. The goal is to get more competitive in qualifying without losing any race pace. This should be possible by adding more downforce like Vanja said last time. The key factor for tyre wear, which is the suspension design/behaviour, is spot on already and there is no reason to touch it.

Vasseur after the qualifying:

We lost a lot between Turn 1 and Turn 3, more than the gap to the front row, because then the rest of the lap was good. We have to understand why it went like that in qualifying, because it wasn't like that at all in Sprint, we were in good condition in that part of the track. I don't know if it's a question of preparation or the launch lap, we have to understand that, because 70% of the gap to Verstappen is there.

The race will be a long one and everyone had a fair amount of degradation, while we were in good shape at the end of the Sprint. Unfortunately it was very difficult to overtake because there was a kind of small train of cars all with DRS. Tomorrow, though, it will be different in the long race, because you can play with the strategy to get the track clear at the front and run in clean air. It was not the result we expected, but we can make up for it tomorrow.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-va ... /10601082/

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Sainz doesn't know how to overtake strong dirvers like Alonso (not to mention Verstapen) and behaves tough only when challenging his teammate. Not really good for Ferrari

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FW17 wrote:Sainz started a lap after the red flag, should be another penalty.
Is this comedy time?

The AM protest was dismissed with the help of mostly all team principals on the grid that noted to FIA that the rule has never been interpreted how AM wants to interpret it now.

AM continuing to behave like a movie villain even after Otmar left the sport. What a pathetic team.

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What we saw today must therefore be considered the true potential of the current SF-24 in qualifying, also from Charles Leclerc's side, given that, unlike the previous three GPs, the Monegasque said he was more satisfied with the preparation of the tyres. "We still have a few problems but today we can't blame everything on the preparation of the tyre, on the contrary I think we have made a good step forward and more than the preparation of the tyre it is the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us,"
https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/
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LM10 wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 15:56
Again, it seems like tyre preparation/warm up was the biggest issue today and it's apparent that this will only be solved by upgrades (or it will solve itself on hotter races obviously, like dialtone said). The deg is excellent, but the trade off between qualifying pace and race pace is too big at the moment. The goal is to get more competitive in qualifying without losing any race pace. This should be possible by adding more downforce like Vanja said last time. The key factor for tyre wear, which is the suspension design/behaviour, is spot on already and there is no reason to touch it.

Vasseur after the qualifying:

We lost a lot between Turn 1 and Turn 3, more than the gap to the front row, because then the rest of the lap was good. We have to understand why it went like that in qualifying, because it wasn't like that at all in Sprint, we were in good condition in that part of the track. I don't know if it's a question of preparation or the launch lap, we have to understand that, because 70% of the gap to Verstappen is there.

The race will be a long one and everyone had a fair amount of degradation, while we were in good shape at the end of the Sprint. Unfortunately it was very difficult to overtake because there was a kind of small train of cars all with DRS. Tomorrow, though, it will be different in the long race, because you can play with the strategy to get the track clear at the front and run in clean air. It was not the result we expected, but we can make up for it tomorrow.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-va ... /10601082/
Freaking Hulkenberg managed a 24.9 in S1
Leclerc had a 25.3 on his fastest lap... it doesn't make sense.

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2.5 tenth Imola upgrade does not look that hot anymore, does it?
That's not enough to cut RB's advantage even in half, and that's without Red Bull's upgrades of their own.

Here's the quali comparison by Federico Albano. Turn 4 performance looks obscenely poor.

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CouncilorIrissa wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 18:12
2.5 tenth Imola upgrade does not look that hot anymore, does it?
That's not enough to cut RB's advantage even in half, and that's without Red Bull's upgrades of their own.
That's if you believe that the qualifying times Ferrari set today were the true pace of the car (meaning tyres were in the window). For me it's obvious this wasn't the case.
2.5 tenths in the simulator don't factor in the tyre warm up problem Ferrari has. Improvement in preparation alone will translate into better lap times.