2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

I also have the feeling that they are still approaching the WEs like it’s 2023.

The car is quick in the race, at least to beat McL and AMR.

The risk of losing a second row quali spot is not worth the trade off. Now how many seconds will Lec and Sainz lose behind Piastri and Alonso?


Looking at the telemetry, Leclerc was very conservative in sector 1 in his last Q3 run. I wonder if he was because he felt it was the best compromise over the entire lap or if he just made a mistake/tried something else that didn't work.

[dialtone]

I also have the feeling that they are still approaching the WEs like it’s 2023.

The car is quick in the race, at least to beat McL and AMR.

The risk of losing a second row quali spot is not worth the trade off. Now how many seconds will Lec and Sainz lose behind Piastri and Alonso?


Looking at the telemetry, Leclerc was very conservative in sector 1 in his last Q3 run. I wonder if he was because he felt it was the best compromise over the entire lap or if he just made a mistake/tried something else that didn't work.

Many were slower in s1, Alonso too for example.

This is what it means to have a new concept, while MCL, AM and RBR have already improved on this, we haven’t.

[CouncilorIrissa]

2.5 tenth Imola upgrade does not look that hot anymore, does it?
That's not enough to cut RB's advantage even in half, and that's without Red Bull's upgrades of their own.

That's if you believe that the qualifying times Ferrari set today were the true pace of the car (meaning tyres were in the window). For me it's obvious this wasn't the case.
2.5 tenths in the simulator don't factor in the tyre warm up problem Ferrari has. Improvement in preparation alone will translate into better lap times.

Leclerc himself said that they can't blame their quali struggles on tyre prep anymore: "We still have some small problems but today we can't blame everything on the tire preparation , in fact I think we've made a good step forward and more than the tire preparation it's the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us"

[link: https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/]

[Xyz22]

2.5 tenth Imola upgrade does not look that hot anymore, does it?
That's not enough to cut RB's advantage even in half, and that's without Red Bull's upgrades of their own.

That's if you believe that the qualifying times Ferrari set today were the true pace of the car (meaning tyres were in the window). For me it's obvious this wasn't the case.
2.5 tenths in the simulator don't factor in the tyre warm up problem Ferrari has. Improvement in preparation alone will translate into better lap times.

Leclerc himself said that they can't blame their quali struggles on tyre prep anymore: "We still have some small problems but today we can't blame everything on the tire preparation , in fact I think we've made a good step forward and more than the tire preparation it's the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us"

[link: https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/]

The fact that it isn't just a tyre warm up issue was absolutely clear in Suzuka where Leclerc, despite struggling, was 0.1s behind Sainz who was miles off Perez.

Fixing something like this will likely require significant changes that will be made for next year. Now they need to add more performance to the car (more than the competition) which hopefully will help in quali as well.


Anyway what about strategy? 2 stops? Leclerc has 2 new mediums and 2 new hards, Sainz 1 new M, 1 used M and 2 new hards.

[venkyhere]

2.5 tenth Imola upgrade does not look that hot anymore, does it?
That's not enough to cut RB's advantage even in half, and that's without Red Bull's upgrades of their own.

Here's the quali comparison by Federico Albano. Turn 4 performance looks obscenely poor.

This plot is a good demonstration of one of my favourite characteristics of the Ferrari - braking. Whether F1-75, SF-23 or SF-24 , none of the competitors would brake as well as the Ferrari. Look at the braking in the middle of T2, before T11, before T14.

[dialtone]

I think this performance yesterday and the quali with the lowest wing (or thereabouts) shows at least one thing: the tire preservation in the sprint was impressive as it was achieved not just by stacking downforce on the car.

Suspension and smart stint management are key, if this remains true in the race then it really seems like the problem is solved for good and should give more freedom on aero configuration.

[Juzh]

I think this performance yesterday and the quali with the lowest wing (or thereabouts)

Less loaded is relative. They're equal fast with RB on non-drs straights and slightly slower on DRSed ones.

[dialtone]

I think this performance yesterday and the quali with the lowest wing (or thereabouts)

Less loaded is relative. They're equal fast with RB on non-drs straights and slightly slower on DRSed ones.

RBR is the more efficient car still though. And the pictures pre race showed a medium low wing compared to a medium wing for RBR.

[Xyz22]

Charles Leclerc: "Did I do a step forward? For sure, yes. Is it enough? For sure, not. There is more to come because normally in qualifying, straight away I manage to be on the limit, and be at ease with the car. And, still i've got to think about the outlap, and to think about everything to try and make it work on the first timed lap. It doesn't come natural. It's not as good as I want it to be. And, not the level that I want to be. However, it's a step forward for sure.

Leclerc's comment on quali. Lot of work to do still.

[CouncilorIrissa]

That's if you believe that the qualifying times Ferrari set today were the true pace of the car (meaning tyres were in the window). For me it's obvious this wasn't the case.
2.5 tenths in the simulator don't factor in the tyre warm up problem Ferrari has. Improvement in preparation alone will translate into better lap times.

Leclerc himself said that they can't blame their quali struggles on tyre prep anymore: "We still have some small problems but today we can't blame everything on the tire preparation , in fact I think we've made a good step forward and more than the tire preparation it's the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us"

[link: https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/]

The fact that it isn't just a tyre warm up issue was absolutely clear in Suzuka where Leclerc, despite struggling, was 0.1s behind Sainz who was miles off Perez.

Fixing something like this will likely require significant changes that will be made for next year. Now they need to add more performance to the car (more than the competition) which hopefully will help in quali as well.


Anyway what about strategy? 2 stops? Leclerc has 2 new mediums and 2 new hards, Sainz 1 new M, 1 used M and 2 new hards.

I expect a repeat of Suzuka (1-stop strategy) should they get stuck behind any of the non-RB cars, or M-H-H otherwise

[dialtone]

Leclerc himself said that they can't blame their quali struggles on tyre prep anymore: "We still have some small problems but today we can't blame everything on the tire preparation , in fact I think we've made a good step forward and more than the tire preparation it's the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us"

[link: https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/]

The fact that it isn't just a tyre warm up issue was absolutely clear in Suzuka where Leclerc, despite struggling, was 0.1s behind Sainz who was miles off Perez.

Fixing something like this will likely require significant changes that will be made for next year. Now they need to add more performance to the car (more than the competition) which hopefully will help in quali as well.


Anyway what about strategy? 2 stops? Leclerc has 2 new mediums and 2 new hards, Sainz 1 new M, 1 used M and 2 new hards.

I expect a repeat of Suzuka (1-stop strategy) should they get stuck behind any of the non-RB cars, or M-H-H otherwise

I’m not sure that will work here. Suzuka only really has a couple of traction zones so track position counts a lot. China has a lot of traction zones leading to passing opportunities so bad tires won’t last that much, as the sprint race showed.

Sainz only resisted Lando because both tires were shot.

This time Ferrari may need to just do some passing on track or at least not go that extreme with the strategy if they really need to improvise.

[Sphere3758]

That's if you believe that the qualifying times Ferrari set today were the true pace of the car (meaning tyres were in the window). For me it's obvious this wasn't the case.
2.5 tenths in the simulator don't factor in the tyre warm up problem Ferrari has. Improvement in preparation alone will translate into better lap times.

Leclerc himself said that they can't blame their quali struggles on tyre prep anymore: "We still have some small problems but today we can't blame everything on the tire preparation , in fact I think we've made a good step forward and more than the tire preparation it's the very specific characteristics of the first sector that have limited us"

[link: https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-la-quali ... r-la-gara/]

The fact that it isn't just a tyre warm up issue was absolutely clear in Suzuka where Leclerc, despite struggling, was 0.1s behind Sainz who was miles off Perez.

Fixing something like this will likely require significant changes that will be made for next year. Now they need to add more performance to the car (more than the competition) which hopefully will help in quali as well.


Anyway what about strategy? 2 stops? Leclerc has 2 new mediums and 2 new hards, Sainz 1 new M, 1 used M and 2 new hards.

I would guess both do a medium - hard stint 1 and 2.

Depending on the deg and potential strategic options, Charles could do either a medium or hard last stint.

He is also well placed for a late safety car in that case, we shall see. He needs a bit of luck to go his way for once , feels like his season has not really started

[Xyz22]

Yeah, 1 stop seems difficult to pull off in this track.

[venkyhere]

I really hope both Ferrari drivers are put on normal 2 stop strategies and there is no 'clever' 1 stop attempt.

[organic]

I also have the feeling that they are still approaching the WEs like it’s 2023.

The car is quick in the race, at least to beat McL and AMR.

The risk of losing a second row quali spot is not worth the trade off. Now how many seconds will Lec and Sainz lose behind Piastri and Alonso?


Looking at the telemetry, Leclerc was very conservative in sector 1 in his last Q3 run. I wonder if he was because he felt it was the best compromise over the entire lap or if he just made a mistake/tried something else that didn't work.

Lec said there wasn't a mistake or poor tyre preparation. He felt good about his outlaps and quali. It's just that sector 1 is very tricky for the car

A 3-4 for the team will be easy and comfortable even with suboptimal strategy. So might as well do something unorthodox which might put RB under pressure (with a well timed safety car for instance)