2024 Miami Grand Prix - Miami Intl. Autodrome, May 03 - 05

[GrizzleBoy]

The FIA used a safery car to influence a race for massive dramatic effect?

They'd never do that.

I know you're kinda joking, but I'm not implying corruption or race fixing. Just the FIA being the FIA

"Never ascribe to malice, that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
- Hanlon's Razor

I know, I just couldn't resist

[Sevach]

I’d like to go back through that prior to the safety car Max was around 11 seconds behind Lando then saw him dropping to 20 then 30 seconds, Was the SC with Max then? Or what was causing that drop off


Lando drove extremely well but was curious at the time

Yup, the SC caught Verstappen and Lando opened a gap.

Most likely Lando still comes up ahead but a bad pit stop could've lost him the race.
The SC picking up the wrong car gave Mclaren the thing on a platter (more than it had helped already).

[dialtone]

We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

[101FlyingDutchman]

We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard

[chrisc90]

I wonder if there will be revised SC protocols after this to make sure it actually picks up the race leader.

[GrizzleBoy]

Piastri didn't have the upgrades, so it's a bit hard to use his car to compare pace of other cars.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Piastri didn't have the upgrades, so it's a bit hard to use his car to compare pace of other cars.

He had 50% of them according to the team

[AR3-GP]

We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

Don't mistake not being able to pass for not being quick. When Norris got clear air, he was quicker than anyone before the SC. On his 20+ lap old medium tires, he was quicker than the Ferrari and Red Bull on new hard tires.

[littlebigcat]

Piastri didn't have the upgrades, so it's a bit hard to use his car to compare pace of other cars.

He had half the upgrades. And Norris kept the gap to Perez at 2 seconds, clearly managing tyres in cleaner air. When it was time the gap disappeared quickly.

[bauc]

In the race Verstappen had the same problems as in SQ. Unlike in hungary last year this time issues didnt sort themselves out. It'll be interesting to see if they can fix it for quali given that he said car was fine in FP1.
If they dont sort it out I predict first win for NOR.

Called it

[dialtone]

We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard

I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.

[101FlyingDutchman]

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard

I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.

You are saying that it was CERTAINLY (your words) not quicker on Mediums. And I’m saying there is absolutely no way you can make that statement with any certainty? What evidence backs up the claim? Him not passing PER clearly isn’t proof as overtaking with DRS coming off these corners isn’t easy. The fact that he set fastest lap times on 25 laps old mediums lap after lap tells me enough

[Cs98]

it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.

That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.

You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard

I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.

We are not evaluating the McLaren when it's "perfect", we are just stating the obvious, once Perez pitted Norris was immediately the fastest car on track on the medium. The fact that he did not have the overtaking delta on a RB car with a lot of straight line speed is not that surprising. Your claim he was "certainly not the fastest on medium" is one which has no backing.

[dialtone]

You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard

I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.

You are saying that it was CERTAINLY (your words) not quicker on Mediums. And I’m saying there is absolutely no way you can make that statement with any certainty? What evidence backs up the claim? Him not passing PER clearly isn’t proof as overtaking with DRS coming off these corners isn’t easy. The fact that he set fastest lap times on 25 laps old mediums lap after lap tells me enough

I gave you enough evidence. PIA couldn't shake off LEC and NOR couldn't pass PER and was barely gaining on SAI after PER pitted even though SAI was dropping off LEC. And Max was faster than everyone else anyway.

There's a ton of evidence on this, certainly way more than that MCL was faster on Mediums.

[101FlyingDutchman]

I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.

You are saying that it was CERTAINLY (your words) not quicker on Mediums. And I’m saying there is absolutely no way you can make that statement with any certainty? What evidence backs up the claim? Him not passing PER clearly isn’t proof as overtaking with DRS coming off these corners isn’t easy. The fact that he set fastest lap times on 25 laps old mediums lap after lap tells me enough

I gave you enough evidence. PIA couldn't shake off LEC and NOR couldn't pass PER and was barely gaining on SAI after PER pitted even though SAI was dropping off LEC. And Max was faster than everyone else anyway.

There's a ton of evidence on this, certainly way more than that MCL was faster on Mediums.

Are you aware PIA had half the upgrade package? And likely worked the tyre very hard to get past LEC?
You are just arguing for arguing sake here. Max faster than everyone else? that’s a ridiculous statement as Max asked for Landos lap times in race and said, pffff that’s very very quick (in interview afterwards)
ALL the evidence points towards you being wrong today. Please see it for what it is