How to fix F1?

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It is simple: bring back Bernie to run FOM.

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I think it's weird that every time there's dominance people want the rules to be changes, while ignoring that most dominance spells start after a new rule set. Usually the most competitive seasons come after plenty of seasons with stability on the regulations.

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DiogoBrand wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 03:30
I think it's weird that every time there's dominance people want the rules to be changes, while ignoring that most dominance spells start after a new rule set. Usually the most competitive seasons come after plenty of seasons with stability on the regulations.
Correct, I can remember when 3.5 atmospheric formula started, there was dominance. When cars went to narrow track, there was dominance. In fact during both of those eras there were multiple eras of domination. The only era where that didn’t turn around was the 2014-2021 rulesets, every constructors championship taken by a single team and only losing a clean sweep during the Covid extension year of 2021.
I’m fairly sure that the pack will get shuffled with the new engine formula coming in 2026.
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DiogoBrand wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 03:30
I think it's weird that every time there's dominance people want the rules to be changes, while ignoring that most dominance spells start after a new rule set. Usually the most competitive seasons come after plenty of seasons with stability on the regulations.
2009 bucked the trend obviously, it was one of the most varied seasons ever IIRC. Even Toyota could have finally take their race win that season (but failed), but they were fast many times.

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20 Apr 2024, 16:37
Correct, I can remember when 3.5 atmospheric formula started, there was dominance.
I suppose, but Williams-Renault and Ferrari were well-prepared and in a position to close the gap to McLaren-Honda. Ferrari went astray for whatever reason (why did Barnard leave for Benetton?), but Williams-Renault defeated the incumbent.

Just as Ferrari, McLaren-Mercedes and Aston Martin-Mercedes are in the position to chase down Red Bull now! We'll see if they get there. :D

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DiogoBrand wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 03:30
I think it's weird that every time there's dominance people want the rules to be changes, while ignoring that most dominance spells start after a new rule set. Usually the most competitive seasons come after plenty of seasons with stability on the regulations.
I disagree with this, the most competitive seasons usually happen when a rule tweak hinders the dominant team. 2021 was only competitive between Mercedes and Red Bull because of the floor changes affecting Mercedes more.

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JordanMugen wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 16:56
2009 bucked the trend obviously, it was one of the most varied seasons ever IIRC. Even Toyota could have finally take their race win that season (but failed), but they were fast many times.
Brawn was a new team and didn't have any money to develop their car, so I think that's a bit of an outlier.
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Madhouse wrote:
20 Apr 2024, 03:04
It is simple: bring back Bernie to run FOM.
The old boys era is who politisized the regulations and gave us these hybrids

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Why on earth would anyone introduce a new set of rules in 2025? When only one team has managed to produce a car that really works.
Introducing rules that have even more aerodynamic complexity just doesn’t make sense.
Adrian Newley and his superteam must be relishing the chance to shine....again
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Think something could be done with the regs on tyres. There’s hardly any incentive to running different strategies and the compounds are such that most races are now turning into med-hard one stoppers.


What if the hard were 2 steps harder than the medium with the soft one step softer, so that the performance drop off on the hard were significantly more than it is today. Then get rid of the rule which states you must use 2 different types of compound during a race.

In my mind this is more likely to encourage teams to go for it on a multi stop strategy vs the available 1 stopper.

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Some say say F1 "needs to be fixed" yet it's not like classic eras produced action-a-minute? Despite the lack of regulations back then, it was still possible to have only a little bit of wheel-to-wheel racing in a Grand Prix which is otherwise a procession:



Are the expectations of fans unreasonable?

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I think it would be crazy now the change anything. It looks like some teams are getting closer, budget cap, WT reduction start to show?

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Fixing F1 is actually simple. Change the damn tires.

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
06 May 2024, 01:24
Think something could be done with the regs on tyres. There’s hardly any incentive to running different strategies and the compounds are such that most races are now turning into med-hard one stoppers.


What if the hard were 2 steps harder than the medium with the soft one step softer, so that the performance drop off on the hard were significantly more than it is today. Then get rid of the rule which states you must use 2 different types of compound during a race.

In my mind this is more likely to encourage teams to go for it on a multi stop strategy vs the available 1 stopper.
There's no variety in strategy because the tires are incapable of providing it. Hard and Medium tires last about the same length, while Soft tires can barely hold it together on a single qualifying lap most times.

In order to keep tires from overheating, all cars are driving around several seconds slower than ultimate performance.

Bolting on Soft tires for short, fast stints doesn't work, because the tires don't have enough performance longevity to overcome the pitstop time loss. If you lose 23 seconds to fit the tires, you then need those tires to offer an improvement of 2.3 seconds a lap for 10 laps just to get back to where you were before pitting. And Pirelli's can't do that. Especially as you would ideally want that performance for 11 or 12 laps without drop off.

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I actually started a thread a while back and got a lot of boo hooing about it.
I think the cars/teams should stay the same with constructors points as is. The drivers however would rotate thru the cars/teams, each driver driving each car once a season. This would show the truly best driver and also the best car.
Drivers points stay with driver and constructor points stay with cars. Would Red Bull remain dominate ? maybe. Could Max win in an Aston? maybe. I believe the driver talent is much closer than the car capabilities.
Any driver on the grid in the Max's current car could win, could Max win in a HAAS?
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2021 SPWB wrote:
14 May 2024, 04:03
I actually started a thread a while back and got a lot of boo hooing about it.
I think the cars/teams should stay the same with constructors points as is. The drivers however would rotate thru the cars/teams, each driver driving each car once a season. This would show the truly best driver and also the best car.
Drivers points stay with driver and constructor points stay with cars. Would Red Bull remain dominate ? maybe. Could Max win in an Aston? maybe. I believe the driver talent is much closer than the car capabilities.
Any driver on the grid in the Max's current car could win, could Max win in a HAAS?
F1 is not a circus. There is nothing wrong with drivers/teams as it is and absolutely no need for such shenanigans. F1 was fine to a decade ago. Competition went downhill after the introduction of cimplicated turbo engines and extra limitations. They need to solve problems at their roots and not to make F1 a flying circus of rotating chairs.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows