FIA World Engines gathering momentum

[ISLAMATRON]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77996

This is outstanding, hopefully F1 can adopt the 2L 4 cylinder and Turbo it with Direct injection and unlimited KERS & HERS, then it will finally return to the highest technology of racing. Hopefully the IRL and Indy will go this way too, Indianapolis 500 as a F1 world championship event? This could again make it possible, especially with Tony George out.

The next engine change formula is scheduled to be in 2013, although it is unknown what the deadline for determining what that engine formula will be.

Such an engine formula would be appealing enough to maybe even bring Honda & BMW back to F1 as engine suppliers.

Hopefully the ACO signs on for the P1 & P2 categories, maybe they can even squeeze the diesels in there somehow.

[Dukeage]

I'd like to know what they were thinking regarding engine life/costs and the thought of 450hp 1600ccs ...

[modbaraban]

Hopefully the ACO signs on for the P1 & P2 categories, maybe they can even squeeze the diesels in there somehow.

No thanks. Leave the non-spec series alone.

[ISLAMATRON]

I'd like to know what they were thinking regarding engine life/costs and the thought of 450hp 1600ccs ...

The 2L engine are the 450hp ones... the 1600cc's are rated up to 250hp

[ISLAMATRON]

Hopefully the ACO signs on for the P1 & P2 categories, maybe they can even squeeze the diesels in there somehow.

No thanks. Leave the non-spec series alone.

As it is they control everything with air restricters anyway... and the LMP2 catagory is almost dead.

[Dukeage]

I'd like to know what they were thinking regarding engine life/costs and the thought of 450hp 1600ccs ...

The 2L engine are the 450hp ones... the 1600cc's are rated up to 250hp

The article implies that they could only really get 250hp from the 1500cc three-pots, so they went for a 2000cc and a 1400cc (both four-cylinder). By saying that the 2000cc is for anything over 450, it implies that anything less than that will be 1600cc (which would be fragile, the BTCC are going down a 2000cc route for producing 300hp).

[Scotracer]

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I hate spec engines They need to sound right

Looks like the days of these are over:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRSYTw9IBxg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrS1uNZRMw&fmt=18[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwmvVWSvSpg&fmt=18[/youtube]

[ISLAMATRON]

I'd like to know what they were thinking regarding engine life/costs and the thought of 450hp 1600ccs ...

The 2L engine are the 450hp ones... the 1600cc's are rated up to 250hp

The article implies that they could only really get 250hp from the 1500cc three-pots, so they went for a 2000cc and a 1400cc (both four-cylinder). By saying that the 2000cc is for anything over 450, it implies that anything less than that will be 1600cc (which would be fragile, the BTCC are going down a 2000cc route for producing 300hp).

I guess you could read it like that, but we know that the 1.5L turbo F1 engines from the late eighties could produce 800hp easily over the entire GP. So they should easily be able to make a 1.6L Turbo make 450hp for at least 4 GP distances.

[ISLAMATRON]

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I hate spec engines They need to sound right

Looks like the days of these are over:

All those engines in those clips were "spec" engines... they were built to the specifications laid out by the FIA at the time... as are today's engines.

The first built to a 1.5L spec, the second to the 3.0L NA V-10 spec, and the last built to the 3.5 NA spec.

Nobody (except losing) forced Ferrari to switch from the V-12 to the V-10, they wanted to win so they did what was necessary, it would have been the same for the V-8 had it was required that the spec be 2.4L and not 2.4L V-8 as it is.

and yes the days of 1.5L V-16's are long over... I can find an engine in a honda cvic that makes more power than that one does, regardless of the sound... the sound of Winning is always more important that the sound of the engine.

[Giblet]

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I hate spec engines They need to sound right

Looks like the days of these are over:

The days of those motors was over long before your post.

Even if you allow any type of engine config under a set of regs, all the teams will be using the same engine in a season or two anyways, as the cream always rises to the top, and with computing power now, what it is, most teams will show up with the same engine anyways.

[bhall]

So Formula 1, ostensibly "the pinnacle of motorsport," in effect becomes a tuner series?

[Giblet]

So Formula 1, ostensibly "the pinnacle of motorsport," in effect becomes a tuner series?

F1 was always about the chassis first. That is why one of the longest periods of success had almost every single car running a Cosworth DFV.

Most will argue that it was not a tuner series during this period, and will never will be so long as cars are made by the constructors.

The period in the 80's and early 90's was also a bunch of people running chassis, and buying engines.

Par for the course really.

[ISLAMATRON]

the manufacturers will still make the their own engines, and theirs will probly be the best, the only difference is that the same block that Ford designs to go rally racing with can be used in F1, or Ferrari can take their F1 engine to Le Mans, and hopfully Indianapolis. So on and so forth.


They will all make their own block and heads and pistons and all that other stuff, just like how F1 has been for the last 50 some odd years.

[flynfrog]

the manufacturers will still make the their own engines, and theirs will probly be the best, the only difference is that the same block that Ford designs to go rally racing with can be used in F1, or Ferrari can take their F1 engine to Le Mans, and hopfully Indianapolis. So on and so forth.


They will all make their own block and heads and pistons and all that other stuff, just like how F1 has been for the last 50 some odd years.

brilliant idea


oh wait no its not

hell why not put it in the plane the fly the mechanics to the race. Because you build a race engine for one purpose not 5

[machin]

So Formula 1, ostensibly "the pinnacle of motorsport," in effect becomes a tuner series?

To be fair a "tuner series" is better than we have at the moment!!!!... as only a few parts of the engines can be changed.....