Red Bull RB20

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chrisc90 wrote:
18 May 2024, 15:28
Elite wrote:
18 May 2024, 13:43
Lots of photos of rb floor incoming [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o<
If there was a 'dislike' button for the context of your post it would get it! :lol: None of us RBR fans want pics of the floor to be shown around the internet, especially after a update again. 3 years, and 3 cases we get to see the floor each time.
They had plenty of time to fire perez. By this time it's obvious this is not a bug, it's a feature.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
18 May 2024, 15:33
chrisc90 wrote:
18 May 2024, 15:28
Elite wrote:
18 May 2024, 13:43
Lots of photos of rb floor incoming [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o<
If there was a 'dislike' button for the context of your post it would get it! :lol: None of us RBR fans want pics of the floor to be shown around the internet, especially after a update again. 3 years, and 3 cases we get to see the floor each time.
Shame that the forum isn't just RBR fans then - the rest of us are very keen to have a look under the car. :lol: =D>
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chrisc90 wrote:
18 May 2024, 15:28
Elite wrote:
18 May 2024, 13:43
Lots of photos of rb floor incoming [-o< [-o< [-o< [-o<
If there was a 'dislike' button for the context of your post it would get it! :lol: None of us RBR fans want pics of the floor to be shown around the internet, especially after a update again. 3 years, and 3 cases we get to see the floor each time.
Us.... who's us :-$ :lol:

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Perez revealed, as he does every year, some details of the RB20 floor
Not much luckily for RB
You can appreciate the different geometry of the fences compared to RB19

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Just a gentle reminder:
More carbon fiber, less carbon tissues. Those NN control interfaces go in the team thread.
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Swipe for more pics...
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ANDY238 wrote:
19 May 2024, 04:17
Perez revealed, as he does every year, some details of the RB20 floor
Not much luckily for RB
You can appreciate the different geometry of the fences compared to RB19
Zoom in and look below the R in the Rauch logo. Follow down to the floor underside.
There is what seems to be a horizontal leading edge. Clearly it's legal as it's not hiding from scrutineering. But it's rather curious if it is what it seems to be. How do the floor regs allow a leading edgd under the floor?
And is there a hole above being pulled by the s duct, or is it just an underfloor winglet.
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Just the end of the strake aint it?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
19 May 2024, 20:32
Just the end of the strake aint it?
Could be. The notch of the yellow strake below, behind the wavy vane on the tea tray.

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Redbull have such fine details. The shape of the floor tunnel, the inner surface and outer edge all have special treatment for sealing the floor.
Redbull seem to even look on the reference plane (directly above the plank) and edploit whatever downforce/ ground effect can be had between it and the track. The reference plane could be producing good ground effect at higher ride heights i'd imagine.
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The floor entrance upper looks like where the wing connects to the fuselage on a large plane.
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Farnborough wrote:
16 May 2024, 12:08
Hoffman900 wrote:
03 May 2024, 17:50
The problem with looking at contact pattern during parc ferme is the car is unloaded from aero stand point.

I think it’s reasonable to assume the cars are making at least as much as they weigh, at some speed.
Yes, understand this and I agree.

However, looking at them right from the outset in starting 2022 regulation, they seem to have designed around very low static camber initially, also when loaded to extreme lateral and really sunk into it's vertical travel, the RB appears to go /allow into positive camber without real detriment.
In comparison to others, that started 2022 with more "traditional" static camber, they all seem to have followed more to this direction.
It would appear to bleed off at the limits grip more gently by letting the tire roll over more onto outer sidewall, as comparison to higher absolute peak grip with more rapid and unpredictable release in extremes.

Also to make, ultimately, more use of tread gauge across the whole tire footprint, by potentially favouring longitudinal traction, less inner shoulder wear etc than greater camber allows.

It may even allow the chassis to be pivoted by rear movement under less aero load (slow corner at sharp angle) by fomenting rear grip elasticity in opposition to reliance, and subsequently, higher taxing of front tire and axle mechanical grip in that steering phase. Requires more driver acceptance of progressive rear movement and use of that characteristic to execute though.
Noted here in 2022 after seeing the suspension linkage layout (inside the bell-housing) & comparing physical behaviour in comparison with some others, the rear suspension had/has an extremely high roll resistance, almost to the point of behaving like a beam-axle/de-dion, allowing the suspension to move up & down (heave) only.
In my opinion this is to better control the underfloor across the rear of the car.
This does also explain the cars only real perceived weakness (big kerbs/very bumpy surfaces).
I also believe that something kinematically similar is being used at the front of the car.
They are also using Multimatic DSSV dampers.
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ANDY238 wrote:
19 May 2024, 04:17
Perez revealed, as he does every year, some details of the RB20 floor
Not much luckily for RB
You can appreciate the different geometry of the fences compared to RB19
Max was lucky it wasn't him that did this with the off's he was having on Friday. The underfloor looks like a lightly updated version of the RB19 but it is the underpod treatment that is really interesting to me.

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Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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What is the function of that central v-cut on the trailing edge of top flap?
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