2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ferkan]

From Autosport forum

Bobbi talked to some Ferrari technicians who said about the upgrades that literally everything worked as expected; Ferrari told Donadoni that Charles lost tyre temp after his mistake and never got it back, Donadoni says we can’t read anything about his pace after that.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2253 ... ry10599971

[SoulPancake13]

From Autosport forum

Bobbi talked to some Ferrari technicians who said about the upgrades that literally everything worked as expected; Ferrari told Donadoni that Charles lost tyre temp after his mistake and never got it back, Donadoni says we can’t read anything about his pace after that.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2253 ... ry10599971

Well hopefully that gets some people in here to relax a little.

[Vanja #66]

Well hopefully that gets some people in here to relax a little.

I am 99% sure there are Ferrari fans who'd complain about Ferrari winning every race because that could maybe make FIA change the rules to hurt them next year...

[Seanspeed]

Doesn't really hold up to scrutiny, though.

Leclerc made his mistake on lap 47, but then

47 1:21.313
48 1:21.513
49 1:20.798
50 1:20.414
51 1:20.364
52 1:20.358
53 1:20.889
54 1:20.398
55 1:20.636
56 1:20.415

It took him another lap to get the tires back up, but he absolutely did, as he went right back to doing lower-mid 1:20's again, which genuinely seemed to be the pace in the car as it was as fast as ever, and Sainz was only capable of doing upper 1:20's around the same time without any mistake.

The Mclaren simply had a second wind and plenty tire enough to start doing proper low 1:20's and Leclerc couldn't keep up.

Basically, it wasn't that Leclerc got slower, Norris simply got faster. The mistake ultimately cost Leclerc nothing except a bit of pride.

[ferkan]

Perhaps, but we cannot know if he would go lower if not for mistake. Your assumption is that before lap 47, that was quickest it could go, which might (probably) be true, but we cannot know, especially considering how mid Norris pace was until one moment when tires came to life and he went faster and faster till last lap.

[LM10]

From Autosport forum

Bobbi talked to some Ferrari technicians who said about the upgrades that literally everything worked as expected; Ferrari told Donadoni that Charles lost tyre temp after his mistake and never got it back, Donadoni says we can’t read anything about his pace after that.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2253 ... ry10599971

Of course we can't take his pace after going off-track seriously. That was obvious right when it happened. Only people who want to complain about everything just for the sake of complaining would do that.

Well hopefully that gets some people in here to relax a little.

I am 99% sure there are Ferrari fans who'd complain about Ferrari winning every race because that could maybe make FIA change the rules to hurt them next year...

Exactly.

[deadhead]

https://x.com/fm1_3316/status/179342823 ... 2n8am2mMAg


Good times.

[Vanja #66]

Jock Clear on Vasseur

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... -rischiare

“His leadership gives people the confidence to risk more. This is his strength. He encourages to try something different and if things go wrong he’s ready to say, ‘We still learned something.’” The charisma within Vasseur’s team has been felt from the beginning, Clear explains: “Employees are excited, they are not afraid to try new things and get blamed. Now they have a different look at things: they know we can learn a lot faster if we take risks.”

[bluechris]

Jock Clear on Vasseur

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... -rischiare

“His leadership gives people the confidence to risk more. This is his strength. He encourages to try something different and if things go wrong he’s ready to say, ‘We still learned something.’” The charisma within Vasseur’s team has been felt from the beginning, Clear explains: “Employees are excited, they are not afraid to try new things and get blamed. Now they have a different look at things: they know we can learn a lot faster if we take risks.”

This is very good... in comparison the only risks Ferrari took preVasseur era, was in strategic department and all felt sort lol

[bananapeel23]

Doesn't really hold up to scrutiny, though.

Leclerc made his mistake on lap 47, but then

47 1:21.313
48 1:21.513
49 1:20.798
50 1:20.414
51 1:20.364
52 1:20.358
53 1:20.889
54 1:20.398
55 1:20.636
56 1:20.415

It took him another lap to get the tires back up, but he absolutely did, as he went right back to doing lower-mid 1:20's again, which genuinely seemed to be the pace in the car as it was as fast as ever, and Sainz was only capable of doing upper 1:20's around the same time without any mistake.

The Mclaren simply had a second wind and plenty tire enough to start doing proper low 1:20's and Leclerc couldn't keep up.

Basically, it wasn't that Leclerc got slower, Norris simply got faster. The mistake ultimately cost Leclerc nothing except a bit of pride.

Maybe the tyre temperature issues were masked by fuel burning off, meaning that any temperature-induced loss of performance was simply offset by the fuel? Falling out of the operating window doesn't necessarily mean you become slower outright, it could just mean that you're slower than you otherwise would have been.

Like yeah if your ideal operating temperature is 100 c and you end up at 80 c (numbers are just examples, I have no clue how hot they should be), you will obviously have a severe loss of grip and performance, but if your core temperature drops to say 97 c because you're forced to slow down, and you can't get it back up without bringing the surface temperature waaaaay above what is ideal, you may just have to live with a minor loss of performance and higher deg than you otherwise would have if the tyre never fell out of the window to begin with.

Matching the same pace after running for 2 extra laps, means you have burned off like 4kg of fuel to reach the same pace, meaning you've lost like a tenth of raw pace due to tyre temps, with another few hundreds due to deg.

Obviously I have no way to tell if this is the case, but I see no reason not to take their word for it. The Ferrari has been insanely consistent on the tyres all season, for the pace to just fall off a cliff compared to Norris like this is completely out of character. The SF24 is usually fastest towards the end of a stint, which wasn't the case here. My guess is that it was a mix of the track cooling towards the later stages of the race, which is bad for a car that struggles with tyre warmup, as well going over the grass leading to a slight core temperature drop that couldn't be rectified without causing the tyres to grain up.

Now I don't think Leclerc was going to keep up with Norris anyway, but I do think the mistake and track temperature dropping did somewhat inhibit his pace, and that th gap might have been 2 or 3 seconds rather than ~7 if he never went off.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Obviously I have no way to tell if this is the case, but I see no reason not to take their word for it. The Ferrari has been insanely consistent on the tyres all season, for the pace to just fall off a cliff compared to Norris like this is completely out of character. The SF24 is usually fastest towards the end of a stint, which wasn't the case here. My guess is that it was a mix of the track cooling towards the later stages of the race, which is bad for a car that struggles with tyre warmup, as well going over the grass leading to a slight core temperature drop that couldn't be rectified without causing the tyres to grain up.

Now I don't think Leclerc was going to keep up with Norris anyway, but I do think the mistake and track temperature dropping did somewhat inhibit his pace, and that th gap might have been 2 or 3 seconds rather than ~7 if he never went off.

I agree.

Two things:

• We know for a fact that the SF-24 takes a long time to get the tyres up to temp;

• We have evidence that the car is capable of doing purple laps at the very end of the stint/race (see Saudi Arabia I think?).

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that Leclerc would've been able to keep up with Norris if he hadn't gone off, but he definitely lost some performance after the accident. About 1-2 tenths and some consistency in lap times maybe?

[RonMexico]

Jock Clear on Vasseur

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... -rischiare

“His leadership gives people the confidence to risk more. This is his strength. He encourages to try something different and if things go wrong he’s ready to say, ‘We still learned something.’” The charisma within Vasseur’s team has been felt from the beginning, Clear explains: “Employees are excited, they are not afraid to try new things and get blamed. Now they have a different look at things: they know we can learn a lot faster if we take risks.”

This is very good... in comparison the only risks Ferrari took preVasseur era, was in strategic department and all felt sort lol

A few grey area designs under Binotto...

It is a good message and looks to ring true on the track.

[AmateurDriver]

Jock Clear on Vasseur

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... -rischiare

“His leadership gives people the confidence to risk more. This is his strength. He encourages to try something different and if things go wrong he’s ready to say, ‘We still learned something.’” The charisma within Vasseur’s team has been felt from the beginning, Clear explains: “Employees are excited, they are not afraid to try new things and get blamed. Now they have a different look at things: they know we can learn a lot faster if we take risks.”

That's all promising and heart-warning, but I'd rather celebrate some wins first, and only then I'd dig to discover the root causes of success. Honestly, I have had enough of promises and claims of self assurance. Again, see McLaren for comparison: words always follow facts.

[Seanspeed]

The Ferrari has been insanely consistent on the tyres all season, for the pace to just fall off a cliff compared to Norris like this is completely out of character.

Again, the pace did not fall off a cliff. In fact, we were keeping pace with Verstappen just fine. The pace didn't drop at all.

We didn't get slower, the Mclaren simply got a chunk faster and we couldn't keep up.

We can play the 'what if' game all day, but it seems a lot more likely to me that the temperatures were fine after a lap and a half and the pace was simply what the car was gonna be doing anyways. We saw no dramatic improvement from Sainz in the same period, who made no such mistakes. All while Leclerc continued to be comfortably faster than Sainz.

[ringo]

If sf24 can put a lot of load on the car, i think it will go well in Monaco. It rides the kerbs well. So does RB20. What happened last time out was the tyre life of the Rb20 was superior to the others. The soft tyres held up better in the last sector.
Charles can be on pole if the tyre preparation is spot on for qualifying. I do not know if this is a matter of setup, or out lap, or driver restraint, or even overall downforce.
I doubt Mclaren does well in Monaco for some reason. I dont think their car is suited to stret tracks and slow corners.