2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[geogate]

Bruce is watching over his legacy

[LionsHeart]

Dude, you may have some knowledge, but you are jumping to lots of very certain conclusions off of fairly little here. Even Mclaren themselves seem unsure of exactly why they've improved so much, so ascertaining that you have figured everything out by looking at a picture and a bit of footage is a little much man.

All my comments here are just my conclusions. Yes, I'm used to sorting out the technical part. This is much more interesting than talking about liveries. Perhaps the team knows the answer but doesn't want to tell us. Have you thought about it? Having all the telemetry and comments from Lando and Oscar, they should understand what the real reasons are. Be that as it may, this is just my opinion.

Having listened to plenty of genuinely professional aerodynamicists, the level of complete confidence you have in your analysis is the giant red flag that anybody should be able to notice. You say it's just your opinion, but you were making huge conclusions here, not just some "Well perhaps it's doing this or that", you were straight up using one huge conclusion and then leaping off that to make another huge conclusion, til you literally had the the whole thing figured out.

And have I thought about whether Mclaren actually has it all figured out and are just lying, pretending they dont? Yea, I did actually. And my second thought after that was realizing how stupid it would be for F1 engineers to make themselves sound incompetent.

Listen. This is a forum where anyone can express their opinion. Everyone is trying to get to the truth to some extent. He tries to spin the flywheel to try to get to the essence with the support of other interlocutors. In order to come to certain conclusions, it is necessary to make some kind of analysis. To analyze, you need inputs. Wouldn't you agree? I don't call myself an aerodynamic engineer and I don't consider myself an expert. It's just my reasoning. I don't understand why some people get a kick out of it. If I take the same position as you, I should consider everyone an impostor? Is that it?

This is not the first time I have noticed that my reasoning is being overly harshly criticized. If everyone starts behaving like this, then activity on the forum will decrease. Why can’t people simply have a calm dialogue; instead, they should boast about their authority and possibly their rating level. This rating does not affect anything.

[Seanspeed]

All my comments here are just my conclusions. Yes, I'm used to sorting out the technical part. This is much more interesting than talking about liveries. Perhaps the team knows the answer but doesn't want to tell us. Have you thought about it? Having all the telemetry and comments from Lando and Oscar, they should understand what the real reasons are. Be that as it may, this is just my opinion.

Having listened to plenty of genuinely professional aerodynamicists, the level of complete confidence you have in your analysis is the giant red flag that anybody should be able to notice. You say it's just your opinion, but you were making huge conclusions here, not just some "Well perhaps it's doing this or that", you were straight up using one huge conclusion and then leaping off that to make another huge conclusion, til you literally had the the whole thing figured out.

And have I thought about whether Mclaren actually has it all figured out and are just lying, pretending they dont? Yea, I did actually. And my second thought after that was realizing how stupid it would be for F1 engineers to make themselves sound incompetent.

Listen. This is a forum where anyone can express their opinion. Everyone is trying to get to the truth to some extent. He tries to spin the flywheel to try to get to the essence with the support of other interlocutors. In order to come to certain conclusions, it is necessary to make some kind of analysis. To analyze, you need inputs. Wouldn't you agree? I don't call myself an aerodynamic engineer and I don't consider myself an expert. It's just my reasoning. I don't understand why some people get a kick out of it. If I take the same position as you, I should consider everyone an impostor? Is that it?

This is not the first time I have noticed that my reasoning is being overly harshly criticized. If everyone starts behaving like this, then activity on the forum will decrease. Why can’t people simply have a calm dialogue; instead, they should boast about their authority and possibly their rating level. This rating does not affect anything.

You are allowed to state your 'opinion'(even though you state it as fact), and other people are allowed to question it. Why do so many never understand this? It's like every 'free speech' advocate.

And I've been perfectly calm in my responses. Nowhere was I insulting you or anything of the sort. It's just my opinion that your analysis isn't credible. Am I not allowed to have my opinion on things?

[mwillems]

Having listened to plenty of genuinely professional aerodynamicists, the level of complete confidence you have in your analysis is the giant red flag that anybody should be able to notice. You say it's just your opinion, but you were making huge conclusions here, not just some "Well perhaps it's doing this or that", you were straight up using one huge conclusion and then leaping off that to make another huge conclusion, til you literally had the the whole thing figured out.

And have I thought about whether Mclaren actually has it all figured out and are just lying, pretending they dont? Yea, I did actually. And my second thought after that was realizing how stupid it would be for F1 engineers to make themselves sound incompetent.

Listen. This is a forum where anyone can express their opinion. Everyone is trying to get to the truth to some extent. He tries to spin the flywheel to try to get to the essence with the support of other interlocutors. In order to come to certain conclusions, it is necessary to make some kind of analysis. To analyze, you need inputs. Wouldn't you agree? I don't call myself an aerodynamic engineer and I don't consider myself an expert. It's just my reasoning. I don't understand why some people get a kick out of it. If I take the same position as you, I should consider everyone an impostor? Is that it?

This is not the first time I have noticed that my reasoning is being overly harshly criticized. If everyone starts behaving like this, then activity on the forum will decrease. Why can’t people simply have a calm dialogue; instead, they should boast about their authority and possibly their rating level. This rating does not affect anything.

You are allowed to state your 'opinion'(even though you state it as fact), and other people are allowed to question it. Why do so many never understand this? It's like every 'free speech' advocate.

And I've been perfectly calm in my responses. Nowhere was I insulting you or anything of the sort. It's just my opinion that your analysis isn't credible. Am I not allowed to have my opinion on things?

He uses a translator so it will change the tone a little. The "he" he refers to is SmallSoldier, not you, who was being needlessly obnoxious and mocking in the way he explained his thoughts, you were just direct. But I'd say again, remember culture differences, the use of a translator and the fact that everyone can do grammar mistakes and typos in their own language can mean the way it reads may not be the way it was intended.

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Still. This is a technical forum. If someone is making statements that cannot be justified, replies calling that into question can be made.

If the statements themselves are ridiculous then imo you can't be surprised when someone with sufficient knowledge to know how ridiculous something is treats it as such. From an outside perspective that may then look like someone being treated harshly.

As much as this is a discussion and all contributions are welcome, it should also be clear when information is incorrect so that falsehoods are not propagated

[mwillems]

The idea it shouldn't be challenged was never mentioned until just now and nobody was expressing surprise. Just the manner of one post and there should be "no surprise" that posts like that are called out.

Anyway, I'm drawing a line underneath it.

[CjC]

FIA supposedly want to check McLaren fuel flow regulator….



I hope nothing come from this and if it does then it might only be a quali thing

[Emag]

FIA supposedly want to check McLaren fuel flow regulator….



I hope nothing come from this and if it does then it might only be a quali thing

Fuel pumps are a spec part. I don't think they would do anything funny there. Would be pretty stupid after the Ferrari fiasco in 2019.

If they are indeed doing anything, they deserve to be disqualified from all races this season so far.

Incredibly dumb to play with stuff like this.

[CjC]

No smoke without fire though

[Emag]

No smoke without fire though

Unless it's coming from that tweet someone made based on pure speculation. It was all guesswork after Leclerc made those comments after Imola.

If it was indeed the case, something more reputable would have made a proper statement by now.

[CjC]

No smoke without fire though

Unless it's coming from that tweet someone made based on pure speculation. It was all guesswork after Leclerc made those comments after Imola.

If it was indeed the case, something more reputable would have made a proper statement by now.

Seems odd that it would be the fuel flow.
More like battery usage I think regarding to Leclercs Imola comment.

Like you say, with social media and the new internet these days, anyone can literally stir the *hit pot.

[organic]

FIA supposedly want to check McLaren fuel flow regulator….



I hope nothing come from this and if it does then it might only be a quali thing

All of this fuel pump stuff came from a twitter user who has deleted their original post about it and basically walked back everything they said.

https://x.com/TristanHomy/status/179735 ... eJkbA&s=19

They talk about a spec component being under suspicion.. of course it's rubbish.

And they use the Leclerc comments as a basis of evidence to support the fuel pump claims, when Leclerc himself clarified that his comments were something Ferrari needed to work on in terms of ERS management rather than anything McLaren/RB were doing special

In this case it really is smoke without fire.

[BMMR61]

The F1 media hasn't talked about this fuel pump rumour so I don't pay it any heed.

FWIW Ralf Schumacher thinks RedBull have lost the ascendency.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-risk ... schumacher
"The McLaren is the most complete package. The Red Bull is simply difficult to drive. Without the Max factor, they wouldn't have won in Imola either."

It does look like McLaren have gone from a circuit specific type of performance to an all-rounder. It's not hard to imagine Max in the 38B would have won every race since Miami. No criticism of our two young drivers who are doing a great job.

[mwillems]

The F1 media hasn't talked about this fuel pump rumour so I don't pay it any heed.

FWIW Ralf Schumacher thinks RedBull have lost the ascendency.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-risk ... schumacher
"The McLaren is the most complete package. The Red Bull is simply difficult to drive. Without the Max factor, they wouldn't have won in Imola either."

It does look like McLaren have gone from a circuit specific type of performance to an all-rounder. It's not hard to imagine Max in the 38B would have won every race since Miami. No criticism of our two young drivers who are doing a great job.

As Organic says, that story is nonsense.

I'd hold on on describing the car as an all rounder just yet (Though it looks like it is) as we've only used the upgraded car on circuits whose setup is low speed focussed. Canada and Barcelona are a new test where the setup will need to work for a range of corner types.

[Mostlyeels]

The full article.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... /10617803/

Stella thinks that some of the unexpected improvement is likely the result of increased driver confidence allowing Norris and Piastri to push harder, but equally there are some technical elements that he thinks need to be better understood.

...

For us, it’s still an open point as to why the car now seems to be pretty decent in low-speed. And we don’t want to jump to conclusions too early because it’s pretty fundamental that we derive the most precise answer to this question.

“It could be a big opportunity for further development, so we need to understand exactly why the car is now competitive in low-speed.”

But Stella is clear that the issue of the car producing more than expected is not down to a factory/track correlation issue – as its actual downforce gain is on target.

Drivers having confidence to push harder reminds me of "success breeds success". Good to hear that it's across the board too e.g. not specific to low-speed corners. Will be interesting to see how this plays out across the season.

Imola had a setup directed towards low speeds, so did Miami and Monaco. It's safe to say that this car has not been tested yet where it is to be set up for a tracks like Canada and Barcelona. Barcelona is known as a great place to test what your car can do, just like Japan.

Yeah, probably all Barcelona lacks now is very slow corners (S2 still seems quite fast, might be wrong).

I think it was spoken about at length over the past 6 to 8 weeks that a car that you trust and where you can more readily feel the limits is a car that the drivers will be more confident in extracting consistent time in the race and allow the drivers to find a smaller amount of time on their fast laps, but also be able to reliably get in laps that were close to, but stayed on the right side of, the edge of what the car can do.

Crosswind sensitivity seems a little better? I remember Lando losing a quali lap with it earlier this season?

Tyre deg at lower track temps seems better than before?

The answer likely lies in some mix of the drivers getting less from the raw downforce potential of the previous car than expected, they are getting more from the potential of the current car or quite simply when all the variables are put together as a package that works well, additional time can be found that isn't specific to a part of the car.

I look forward to hearing from the team in a race or two about why this worked, although I suspect this is something they will keep quiet.

I suspect so too, but it is fun to guess

It's great to hear that the low speed corners are the area most improved and that it is looking "good" in the low speeds. Suggests the old weaknesses of the car are gone.

But as I say, it's not yet been seen at a track where the setup isn't so focussed. This is why I was saying to LionsHeart that the next 3 tracks would be very interesting.

Yeah, I looked at the schedule for the first time in ages. I'm actually quite keen to see performance on the Red Bull Ring, although the mix of corners is atypical.