Monaco was a clown fiesta, there is no representative data to take out of it whatsoever. The last real race we had was Imola, and Imola wasn't amazing for Mercedes.sport777 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:50In Monaco, Merc was one of the fastest in the race, secondly, I look at cars not as a fan of one team, the problems of Merc at the beginning of the season have already been almost all overcome, the car looks quite solid and I will repeat, some aspects, for example, the diffuser, are very simple, like Williams , I’m sure the diffuser will be revised as well as the side pontoons, I mean that the potential of Merc is still very great and McLaren needs to be afraid not of Ferrari and RB, but of MercEmag wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:39I didn't say Mercedes race pace will be bad, but we don't really know how good they will be. George has qualified well in earlier rounds only to fall behind in the race so it wouldn't be too farfetched to think they don't have the outright race pace to stay ahead of Max at least.
Edit: Also, George mentioned how they were so close in Imola too, but that was only for quali. They fell behind RB, Ferrari and McLaren in the race. Of course, they have a new front wing here, but it would be very impressive if this front wing fixes pretty much everything that has been bothering them this year with that car.
I find it funny when I hear that Merc will be 3rd in speed here, we don’t know what Merc will be in terms of speed in the race, since the practices were in changeable conditions, it seems to me that McLaren fans strongly believed in themselves, I know for sure yesterday Merc was the fastest Ideally, McLaren's car yesterday lost about 3 tenths, while think about it, Merc didn't bring more than one major update, like McLaren or Ferrari didmwillems wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:58In my opinion, the Merc does well on green tracks and drops back as the track evolves, I think it is a decent possibility that as the race continues and the track evolves more, their relative pace will drop behind others.sport777 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:01what makes you think that Merc's racing theme will be bad? I think on the contrary, Merc will quite possibly be one of the fastestEmag wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 13:51Rain is gonna fu*k up the race so maybe having a bit more downforce might help them. With Mercedes' race pace being a bit of a question mark, I liked McLaren's chances better in a dry race to be honest, at least for a double podium. But now everything is randomized again. Gonna be mayhem, but we have good drivers for the wet. Just need to stay out of trouble on lap 1.
I mean they are 3rd fastest here anyway, but you need a delta to overtake and if once that delta gets too big Merc will not be able to hold onto 1st.
Who knows what would happen in a wet race, but in a dry race I don't think they'd finish above 4th on merit.
I'm the opposite of emag, I think a wet race will suit them more.
We'll see in the race. Nobody knows what the race pace will be like against McLaren and Red Bull. The ability to keep the tires in working temperature range in cool conditions will be one of the key factors. At the moment, 16 degrees Celsius is predicted at the start of the race.sport777 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 16:06I find it funny when I hear that Merc will be 3rd in speed here, we don’t know what Merc will be in terms of speed in the race, since the practices were in changeable conditions, it seems to me that McLaren fans strongly believed in themselves, I know for sure yesterday Merc was the fastest Ideally, McLaren's car yesterday lost about 3 tenths, while think about it, Merc didn't bring more than one major update, like McLaren or Ferrari didmwillems wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:58In my opinion, the Merc does well on green tracks and drops back as the track evolves, I think it is a decent possibility that as the race continues and the track evolves more, their relative pace will drop behind others.
I mean they are 3rd fastest here anyway, but you need a delta to overtake and if once that delta gets too big Merc will not be able to hold onto 1st.
Who knows what would happen in a wet race, but in a dry race I don't think they'd finish above 4th on merit.
I'm the opposite of emag, I think a wet race will suit them more.
Wonderful, I'm glad your life is full of humoursport777 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 16:06I find it funny when I hear that Merc will be 3rd in speed here, we don’t know what Merc will be in terms of speed in the race, since the practices were in changeable conditions, it seems to me that McLaren fans strongly believed in themselves, I know for sure yesterday Merc was the fastest Ideally, McLaren's car yesterday lost about 3 tenths, while think about it, Merc didn't bring more than one major update, like McLaren or Ferrari didmwillems wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:58In my opinion, the Merc does well on green tracks and drops back as the track evolves, I think it is a decent possibility that as the race continues and the track evolves more, their relative pace will drop behind others.
I mean they are 3rd fastest here anyway, but you need a delta to overtake and if once that delta gets too big Merc will not be able to hold onto 1st.
Who knows what would happen in a wet race, but in a dry race I don't think they'd finish above 4th on merit.
I'm the opposite of emag, I think a wet race will suit them more.
Personally I think you're being unrealistic in many of your opinions. The Monaco claim especially - if you think that Ferrari and McLaren race pace was anything but contrived to back up the field then fine, you're welcome to it. I think most people here are waiting to see how real Mercedes' pace is here at Canada, not to take anything away from their good showing throughout practice and qualifying. The belief of many including myself is they may struggle to be fastest in the race, this based on the trends at other races, and the way limited running usually favours Merc on a more 'green' track. Not saying that will be the case but it's too early to make assumptions. It's fair to say Merc's performance here appears much improved, including over Monaco.sport777 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:50In Monaco, Merc was one of the fastest in the race, secondly, I look at cars not as a fan of one team, the problems of Merc at the beginning of the season have already been almost all overcome, the car looks quite solid and I will repeat, some aspects, for example, the diffuser, are very simple, like Williams , I’m sure the diffuser will be revised as well as the side pontoons, I mean that the potential of Merc is still very great and McLaren needs to be afraid not of Ferrari and RB, but of MercEmag wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 15:39I didn't say Mercedes race pace will be bad, but we don't really know how good they will be. George has qualified well in earlier rounds only to fall behind in the race so it wouldn't be too farfetched to think they don't have the outright race pace to stay ahead of Max at least.
Edit: Also, George mentioned how they were so close in Imola too, but that was only for quali. They fell behind RB, Ferrari and McLaren in the race. Of course, they have a new front wing here, but it would be very impressive if this front wing fixes pretty much everything that has been bothering them this year with that car.
Is that a wet track?
dude, I’m speaking with facts, yesterday Merce was the fastest car on the track, these are not my words, these are a complete analysis of qualifications, yesterday I repeat, the fact that McLaren became closer to them, it’s Merce’s fault, leaving at the very end of the session was a bad idea, then what Ham became 7th, that’s his problem, he just made a lot of mistakes, his potential time was after Russell, no one knows what will happen in the race todayCjC wrote: ↑09 Jun 2024, 17:32One pole for Merc and a P7 in quali and suddenly they have the best car now.
McLaren have both cars 0.108 from pole.
Even Alonso is disappointed he’s not on pole.
This weekend has been anyone’s for the taking and still is.
After Silverstone we’ll see where everyone is at.
Mclaren pulled off a huge turn a round last season so that means anyone of the other teams could do so too, maybe Mercedes, maybe Aston.
Stella says laptime is being developed every week back at base, just because Merc is bringing it to the track doesn’t mean the others aren’t finding it in the wind tunnel too, to the bring it to the track later in the season.
George may romp off into the distance today and fair play to him but this is far from a normal weekend as you can get