2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Fer.Fan]

Shocking weekend!
$hit happens and based on the season so far, for the most part that's all it is.
That said, car has got a big problem in both cool and changing conditions, I hope they get it sorted in double quick time because now the gaps have closed up it's becoming very costly!

Fans needs answer what in h… happend in Canada? It is complete meltdown of the team, strategi, pace of the car. Complete disaster. Something happend with pace of the car, it was soooo slowwww.

Everything that's happened is easily explained by what we know about the car's characteristics.

It was designed to put as little heat into the tyres as possible in order to fix the issues of its predecessor -- overheating that caused poor race pace. CGV as a circuit has no high-speed corners and a lot of straights, meaning that the cars that put less energy into the tyres suffer the most, as they simply can't keep the heat in the tyres. It's why the SF23 was good around this circuit and it's why the RB19 was vulnerable -- because of that very characteristic.

Now combine this with low temperatures, a chaotic weekend plagued by brake and PU issues you have the perfect storm for such a situation to happen. No strategy could've ever salvaged this.

It can not explain the fact Ferrari ware slower the mid teams. Not even top ten during the race. This was team set up disaster. Just look at Ferraris low DF rear wing, they put way to little DF on the car. Thats why they ware so slow. Just compare rear wings of RB, MB and Mclaren.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Fans needs answer what in h… happend in Canada? It is complete meltdown of the team, strategi, pace of the car. Complete disaster. Something happend with pace of the car, it was soooo slowwww.

Everything that's happened is easily explained by what we know about the car's characteristics.

It was designed to put as little heat into the tyres as possible in order to fix the issues of its predecessor -- overheating that caused poor race pace. CGV as a circuit has no high-speed corners and a lot of straights, meaning that the cars that put less energy into the tyres suffer the most, as they simply can't keep the heat in the tyres. It's why the SF23 was good around this circuit and it's why the RB19 was vulnerable -- because of that very characteristic.

Now combine this with low temperatures, a chaotic weekend plagued by brake and PU issues you have the perfect storm for such a situation to happen. No strategy could've ever salvaged this.

It can not explain the fact Ferrari ware slower the mid teams. Not even top ten during the race. This was team set up disaster. Just look at Ferraris low DF rear wing, they put way to little DF on the car. Thats why they ware so slow. Just compare rear wings of RB, MB and Mclaren.

The field is as close as ever. It's the reality. If you underperform, you underperform HARD.
This isn't 2019 anymore.

[edu2703]

It's been a while since I've seen so many things go wrong in a single team on a race weekend. Miserable qualifying, no race pace, engine issues, bizarre strategy and an accident. It's difficult to get anything worse than that.

This weekend was a complete disaster where everything that could go wrong went wrong. Fortunately we'll have a two week break until Spain. Enough time to analyze and discuss what went wrong and try to regain confidence for the next race.

[Xyz22]

Another proof that the car is garbage with inter tyres just like the sf23 and f1 75. Good to know for future weekends.

[CouncilorIrissa]

It's been a while since I've seen so many things go wrong in a single team on a race weekend. Miserable qualifying, no race pace, engine issues, bizarre strategy and an accident. It's difficult to get anything worse than that.

This weekend was a complete disaster where everything that could go wrong went wrong. Fortunately we'll have a two week break until Spain. Enough time to analyze and discuss what went wrong and try to regain confidence for the next race.

Socials will be as fun as ever!

[Fakepivot]

heck this thread is as worse as any social, anyway --- weekend. but it is a mystery to me how people who are angry or trollish here operate on day-to-day basis, enjoy the race.. its not always about your fav team.. today race was mega.. really enjoyed mecca vs merc vs maxbull..

[chrisc90]

Did a engine restart actually fix the issue? Surely with how these cars can fail sensors through the steering wheel, a restart wouldnt have sorted it?

[Fakepivot]

Did a engine restart actually fix the issue? Surely with how these cars can fail sensors through the steering wheel, a restart wouldnt have sorted it?

his pace was still wayy off tho as was sainz was struggling aginst midfild team

[dia6olo]

Shocking weekend!
$hit happens and based on the season so far, for the most part that's all it is.
That said, car has got a big problem in both cool and changing conditions, I hope they get it sorted in double quick time because now the gaps have closed up it's becoming very costly!

Fans needs answer what in h… happend in Canada? It is complete meltdown of the team, strategi, pace of the car. Complete disaster. Something happend with pace of the car, it was soooo slowwww.

Everything that's happened is easily explained by what we know about the car's characteristics.

It was designed to put as little heat into the tyres as possible in order to fix the issues of its predecessor -- overheating that caused poor race pace. CGV as a circuit has no high-speed corners and a lot of straights, meaning that the cars that put less energy into the tyres suffer the most, as they simply can't keep the heat in the tyres. It's why the SF23 was good around this circuit and it's why the RB19 was vulnerable -- because of that very characteristic.

Now combine this with low temperatures, a chaotic weekend plagued by brake and PU issues you have the perfect storm for such a situation to happen. No strategy could've ever salvaged this.

Those are actually very good points.
I think in the heat of the moment we have a tendency to overreact and judge everything, car and team based on their last showing, everything that preceded it gets forgotten, for example for many Mercedes will now be back in the game just based on their showing today, personally I doubt it...

Today was very disappointing but I think that when you zoom out and look at the big picture, the Ferrari car and team are not in bad shape.

Regarding the cars shortcomings, I fully understand the apparent car design decisions they made surrounding how the car uses it's tyres after the tyre woes they had with the SF-23, and IMO all things considered they were probably the correct decision.
That said, it does appear they have played it a little to safe, I just hope it's something they can work on/tweak with the next upgrade.
I guess we should also not forget that we are also going to get hot races coming up over the next 2/3 months and that alone could change everything...

[aleks_ader]

Ferrari is at least 3/4 of year back in car design in comparisons with McLaren and at least1.5yrs with RB. It was easier in non budget limited days. Its stil learnign curve for big teams such Merc and Ferrari. IMO nowadays u cannot fast track development PERIOD. AFterall we are on f1Technical and i EXPECT higher level of discusion here...

[Xyz22]

I'm sure we'll get some big chances later this year. They will need to perform like they did in Melbourne and Monaco.

Ferrari is not in any championship fight this year, which makes sense looking at how awful they were in 2023. They need to improve the car to finish the year with a gap that can recovered during the winter.

[f1316]

Fans needs answer what in h… happend in Canada? It is complete meltdown of the team, strategi, pace of the car. Complete disaster. Something happend with pace of the car, it was soooo slowwww.

Everything that's happened is easily explained by what we know about the car's characteristics.

It was designed to put as little heat into the tyres as possible in order to fix the issues of its predecessor -- overheating that caused poor race pace. CGV as a circuit has no high-speed corners and a lot of straights, meaning that the cars that put less energy into the tyres suffer the most, as they simply can't keep the heat in the tyres. It's why the SF23 was good around this circuit and it's why the RB19 was vulnerable -- because of that very characteristic.

Now combine this with low temperatures, a chaotic weekend plagued by brake and PU issues you have the perfect storm for such a situation to happen. No strategy could've ever salvaged this.

It can not explain the fact Ferrari ware slower the mid teams. Not even top ten during the race. This was team set up disaster. Just look at Ferraris low DF rear wing, they put way to little DF on the car. Thats why they ware so slow. Just compare rear wings of RB, MB and Mclaren.

I thought this re downforce level of rear wing but was then surprised to see them not do better on the straights, at least. That said, perhaps there's no traction and that reduces/removes any benefit from the lack of drag?

One thing that does occur: earlier in the season they kept running what seemed like too much wing vs others and here they seemed to not have enough wing (especially given we knew there would be changeable conditions). I wonder if predicting required wing levels is a fundamental flaw in their simulation tools this season? It's odd to see them go one way and then the other (both seemingly wrongly).

[organic]

Another proof that the car is garbage with inter tyres just like the sf23 and f1 75. Good to know for future weekends.

TBF Charles pace was decent on the inter even losing 1+ seconds on the straights. Their race pace simulations also looked good in fp3. Imo they did struggle to heat their tyres up but if there was no engine issue it's possible it could have gone very differently

Sainz though just struggled so maybe that's representative? But Charles was faster than Sainz even with the engine deficit

[Xyz22]

Another proof that the car is garbage with inter tyres just like the sf23 and f1 75. Good to know for future weekends.

TBF Charles pace was decent on the inter even losing 1+ seconds on the straights. Their race pace simulations also looked good in fp3. Imo they did struggle to heat their tyres up but if there was no engine issue it's possible it could have gone very differently

Sainz though just struggled so maybe that's representative? But Charles was faster than Sainz even with the engine deficit

Not quick enough to compete for top 3 even without the engine deficit. Without the issue probably around Aston Martin pace with Charles. Sainz way slower.

[Xyz22]

Sainz was over 2.2s slower than the leaders before the first SC.
Carlos has also often performed well in these conditions and in general he is a fast driver. Absolute disaster of a weekend. Easily the worst car of the grid with inters.