2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

It was definitely one of those weekends when nothing goes your way. If tyre warm up issues and traffic in the race (due to poor grid positions) were expected, another bizarre issue with Leclerc's PU points to a big problem on his side of the garage.

There was a clutch issue in Miami, an undisclosed sensor issue in Monaco and now a big loss of available power, 3rd weekend of the last 4 with PU issues. Either QC in Maranello is doing a very bad job with PU2 and PU3 for Leclerc leading to a very wide range of PU problems, or his mechanics are rushing things and making rookie mistakes. Regardless, very big issues and it was a lucky coincidence there was no major point loss due to this issue on Sunday.

Strategic decision to pit Leclerc and try risking with dry tyres was perfectly valid of course, he had to reset the whole car and could only do it in the pit. If there wasn't another light drizzle he may have had a chance to get a few points. Sainz was probably pushing a bit over the limit and had his tyres too cold when he went out in the race, just to top off a weekend to forget.

Hopefully, this one weekend collected all the bad luck of the season. The biggest problem was Leclerc PU issue in the race and this needs to be treated as red alert. The second biggest problem was overconfidence (coming from lack of judgement of track conditions) in Q2 and choosing not to use another set of softs for 2nd run in Q2, 2-3 grid places up would have made a different race on Sunday for Sainz at least.

[Xyz22]

It was definitely one of those weekends when nothing goes your way. If tyre warm up issues and traffic in the race (due to poor grid positions) were expected, another bizarre issue with Leclerc's PU points to a big problem on his side of the garage.

There was a clutch issue in Miami, an undisclosed sensor issue in Monaco and now a big loss of available power, 3rd weekend of the last 4 with PU issues. Either QC in Maranello is doing a very bad job with PU2 and PU3 for Leclerc leading to a very wide range of PU problems, or his mechanics are rushing things and making rookie mistakes. Regardless, very big issues and it was a lucky coincidence there was no major point loss due to this issue on Sunday.

Strategic decision to pit Leclerc and try risking with dry tyres was perfectly valid of course, he had to reset the whole car and could only do it in the pit. If there wasn't another light drizzle he may have had a chance to get a few points. Sainz was probably pushing a bit over the limit and had his tyres too cold when he went out in the race, just to top off a weekend to forget.

Hopefully, this one weekend collected all the bad luck of the season. The biggest problem was Leclerc PU issue in the race and this needs to be treated as red alert. The second biggest problem was overconfidence (coming from lack of judgement of track conditions) in Q2 and choosing not to use another set of softs for 2nd run in Q2, 2-3 grid places up would have made a different race on Sunday for Sainz at least.

Hi Vanja, they couldn't use an additional set of new soft for Q2. The only set left was only usable in Q3. In hindsight, they should have gone for the used set at the start of the session and then the new one at the end, but i guess they were scared of the rain.

https://x.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1800438845068247385

According to Formu1a.uno Ferrari is pushing massively to anticipate the new floor directly in Spain instead of Silverstone.

[Vanja #66]

Hi Vanja, they couldn't use an additional set of new soft for Q2. The only set left was only usable in Q3. In hindsight, they should have gone for the used set at the start of the session and then the new one at the end, but i guess they were scared of the rain.

https://x.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1800438845068247385

According to Formu1a.uno Ferrari is pushing massively to anticipate the new floor directly in Spain instead of Silverstone.

Ah, so they are given the set in advance and have to return it after Q3, thanks.

Regarding the push for new floor, here's the article

https://formu1a.uno/en/exclusive-ferrar ... -upgrades/

Apparently, even sending just one piece is on the table. If McLaren did it in Miami, Ferrari absolutely should do the same. It will be a big effort to deliver it 2 weeks ahead of schedule.

[Xyz22]

I think the floor didn't go through significant changes in the first upgrade they brought in Imola, so it makes sense they are going to introduce a new one.

[Vanja #66]

WCC points after 9 races:

2004 - 343 (latest points system)

2007 - 257 (latest points system)

2017 - 254

2022 - 228

2024 - 252

Incredibly, but despite an abysmal weekend and a double-zero, this season is still up there with 2007 and 2017 Just goes to show how massively everyone in the team delivered in the first 8 races. It was a similar feeling back in 2007 in Canada, nothing worked out in the race with Massa DSQ and Kimi struggling, yet the car was obviously so good it could still score P5 with Kimi. In 2017 there was also a double-zero in Singapore (R14)...

[Xyz22]

WCC points after 9 races:

2004 - 343 (latest points system)

2007 - 257 (latest points system)

2017 - 254

2022 - 228

2024 - 252

Incredibly, but despite an abysmal weekend and a double-zero, this season is still up there with 2007 and 2017 Just goes to show how massively everyone in the team delivered in the first 8 races. It was a similar feeling back in 2007 in Canada, nothing worked out in the race with Massa DSQ and Kimi struggling, yet the car was obviously so good it could still score P5 with Kimi. In 2017 there was also a double-zero in Singapore (R14)...

Did you include sprint races? It could make the comp with years before 2022 a bit skewed.

[Vanja #66]

Did you include sprint races? It could make the comp with years before 2022 a bit skewed.

Yes, both 2022 and 24 include sprint points. So far this year 20p were won in two Sprints and 232p is still not too far from 07 and 17, especially how those two cars were basically (shared) best.

[woocasz]

According to this article by Duchessa from formu1a.uno

"From the data collected so far, it appears that the floor upgrade should increase downforce. It will be worth about 10 load points - and much more in terms of performance."

And here we have Fred's statement regarding the damage to Carlos' car:
"Carlos was stuck in the pack and with the car’s damage, was losing 20 points of downforce: 0,6-0,8s per lap.”

Concluding from this statement, we can expect 0.3s-0.4s gains from the new floor?

[AlexP]

According to this article by Duchessa from formu1a.uno

"From the data collected so far, it appears that the floor upgrade should increase downforce. It will be worth about 10 load points - and much more in terms of performance."

And here we have Fred's statement regarding the damage to Carlos' car:
"Carlos was stuck in the pack and with the car’s damage, was losing 20 points of downforce: six to eight-tenths per lap.”

Concluding from this statement, we can expect 0.3s-0.4s gains from the new floor?

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[CaribouBread]

According to this article by Duchessa from formu1a.uno

"From the data collected so far, it appears that the floor upgrade should increase downforce. It will be worth about 10 load points - and much more in terms of performance."

And here we have Fred's statement regarding the damage to Carlos' car:
"Carlos was stuck in the pack and with the car’s damage, was losing 20 points of downforce: six to eight-tenths per lap.”

Concluding from this statement, we can expect 0.3s-0.4s gains from the new floor?

If the tyre heating character is improved even slightly with this package it'll be a great step in performance, even if the overall time gained is on the lower end (.25/.3).
I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.

[Fakepivot]

so there going to be one more Pirelli test at Mugello 13th and 14th.... can Ferrari bring the new floor there and test? or is that not allowed?

[CaribouBread]

so there going to be one more Pirelli test at Mugello 13th and 14th.... can Ferrari bring the new floor there and test? or is that not allowed?

AFAIK only specifications that have been brought to a weekend previously can be used in those tests. Might be wrong.

[Sphere3758]

The most interesting part of the article to me

However, in the next few hours, Ferrari will decide if they are prepared to bring just one floor – should they fail to produce enough components in time.
This would be helpful for comparison work. There is a reason why Barcelona was previously used for pre-season testing. It is a very good circuit for teams to collect data and understand car behaviour. Because of this, the team is open to having just one driver with their upgraded floor.

[Cs98]

According to this article by Duchessa from formu1a.uno

"From the data collected so far, it appears that the floor upgrade should increase downforce. It will be worth about 10 load points - and much more in terms of performance."

And here we have Fred's statement regarding the damage to Carlos' car:
"Carlos was stuck in the pack and with the car’s damage, was losing 20 points of downforce: 0,6-0,8s per lap.”

Concluding from this statement, we can expect 0.3s-0.4s gains from the new floor?

Impossible to say. A point of downforce isn't standardized across teams nor does it specify how the loss affected the overall balance of the car. If you lose 10 points of downforce but it completely upsets the car balance you could lose a second per lap.

[Vanja #66]

And here we have Fred's statement regarding the damage to Carlos' car:
"Carlos was stuck in the pack and with the car’s damage, was losing 20 points of downforce: 0,6-0,8s per lap.”

Concluding from this statement, we can expect 0.3s-0.4s gains from the new floor?

Teams never reveal actual figures for df loss and laptime loss, that's a lot of information for competitors to learn and analyse. One of the knowledgeable members here confirmed 6-7 tenths for 20p is too much, my guess is 20p is something like 2-3 tenths with cars today.

10p for the floor is also very limited information, if it's 10p at high ride height that's a huge gain, if it's 10p at lowest ride height it's quite a small gain.10p is just over 1% of total car downforce. Top 3 seem to be very close in terms of overall downforce, so their df-point-to-lap-time gains are likely very close, and update gains are diminishing now. RB had 2 decent packages probably worth 1-2 tenths each for a total of seemingly 2-3 tenths update in performance. In any case, if it's floor alone 1-2 tenths would be a decent step, since there should be other novelties within targeted Silverstone package