Steward comes and looks with his eyes, prods with his fingers, nods, leaves.
Steward comes and looks with his eyes, prods with his fingers, nods, leaves.
Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
- James Allison, F1 NationOh God, how can we've been so dumb kind of moment where you see the path forward and you should have seen it sooner.
- Helmut Marko, quoted by FormulaPassion.itThere will be a new technical verification in Barcelona, Austria and so on. Is it fair to say that Red Bull wants to clip Mercedes' wings? It's a funny pun, it has something satirical about it, but only the FIA can do that.
He said more than that. He was asked directly about the front wing being a big part in that "oh god" moment, and he confirmed that it was, then he hit on the importance of high to low speed balance.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
- James Allison, F1 NationOh God, how can we've been so dumb kind of moment where you see the path forward and you should have seen it sooner.
You suppose it is a nothingburger and NOT key to Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes recently closing the gap to Red Bull?
After 2022 you still believe it would be beneficial to stall the floor?mwillems wrote: ↑18 Jun 2024, 20:44Yeah but I'm wondering if the wing prevents enough airflow going to the floor it could stall it and reduce drag further.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2024, 20:13It's a way of controlling the aero balance - at low/medium speeds the front wing gives good downforce helping the nose turn in. At high speed, the front wing bleeds off some downforce giving a slight bit of understeer which is a desirable thing in a high speed corner.
I get how it reduces drag and ftont DF at higher speeds and returns DF at lower speeds.
I'm just not sure yet how much of the wings flex or drop as the video is limited. Is it just the elements?
Allison was overly dramatic because they know they were again trying to be too clever for their own good with their "Y350 vortex" launch-spec front wing. Monaco wing is very, very similar to their last year's Hungary wing, also the spec they finished the year with I think. They've made a step back to the right track basicallyJordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
No, it's absolutely not the key of McLaren and Ferrari improvement since the start of the year Ferrari barely touched it with Imola upgrade. Also let's not forget Ferrari was ahead of Red Bull with chassis design in 2022, if nothing they are getting their chassis back to where it started this reg cycle. And 2 years ago, Ferrari had a very small span of detached flaps, while RB had it as big as it is todayJordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22You suppose it is a nothingburger and NOT key to Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes recently closing the gap to Red Bull?
Pointing finger in a far-fetched effort to derail opposition is nothing new in F1, it's been done already in 60s and 70s. Also for Horner it's a good chance to give an excuse to Thais why they aren't as good as they were last year.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22Hopefully it is a nothingburger and the season remains close, for the good of the competition. On the other hand, I don't see why Red Bull would be advocating for a new TD on this matter against their three closest challengers (as Mercedes did in 2021 about Red Bull's flexi rear wing) if it was worth only a negligible amount of laptime.
AMR23 was humbled by strikingly poor start from Mercedes and Ferrari. At the same time, they got lost with development and are still suffering, for multiple organisational reasons and unbearable pressure from Stroll sr I imagine. Let's not forget Alonso got a well deserved podium in Brasil last year, so the car wasn't really bad - opposition simply got better after 7-8 races into the season.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22The amount of laptime Aston Martin lost, with no longer their flexible nose cone, seemed to be significant in mid 2023.
I’ve not listened, but if that it what he said he is just trying to stir it up, Merc were flexing the flaps monstrously last year (even the stubs attached to the nose were flexing until the TD018 ‘band-aid’ got applied - it ran through the Einhall logo on the side of the nose).Cs98 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 21:04He said more than that. He was asked directly about the front wing being a big part in that "oh god" moment, and he confirmed that it was, then he hit on the importance of high to low speed balance.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
- James Allison, F1 NationOh God, how can we've been so dumb kind of moment where you see the path forward and you should have seen it sooner.
You suppose it is a nothingburger and NOT key to Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes recently closing the gap to Red Bull?
Listen for yourself instead. It's at around minute 3 in the podcast.Stu wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024, 17:47I’ve not listened, but if that it what he said he is just trying to stir it up, Merc were flexing the flaps monstrously last year (even the stubs attached to the nose were flexing until the TD018 ‘band-aid’ got applied - it ran through the Einhall logo on the side of the nose).Cs98 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 21:04He said more than that. He was asked directly about the front wing being a big part in that "oh god" moment, and he confirmed that it was, then he hit on the importance of high to low speed balance.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22
Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
- James Allison, F1 Nation
You suppose it is a nothingburger and NOT key to Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes recently closing the gap to Red Bull?
I thought much more of JA than that disingenuous claptrap.
I remember a whole controversy about the attachment points to the nose that were made of a different material because their shade of black was slightly different and explicitly made to detach from the nose for aero purposes.Stu wrote:I’ve not listened, but if that it what he said he is just trying to stir it up, Merc were flexing the flaps monstrously last year (even the stubs attached to the nose were flexing until the TD018 ‘band-aid’ got applied - it ran through the Einhall logo on the side of the nose).Cs98 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 21:04He said more than that. He was asked directly about the front wing being a big part in that "oh god" moment, and he confirmed that it was, then he hit on the importance of high to low speed balance.JordanMugen wrote: ↑19 Jun 2024, 18:22Maybe. If so, why are Red Bull are so keen on the technical directive and why did Allison describe the realisation about using Ferrari and McLaren style front wing flexing to solve Mercedes' low to high speed balance problems as an "Oh God" moment on the F1 Nation Podcast?
- James Allison, F1 Nation
You suppose it is a nothingburger and NOT key to Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes recently closing the gap to Red Bull?
I thought much more of JA than that disingenuous claptrap.
Imho RB just testing the water how strict the testing is applied. AM got banned, MB allowed. RB says interestingWatto wrote: ↑20 Jun 2024, 01:54Wonder how much its a case of Red Bull also being very sure about spending limited development resources on their own flexiwing.
They obviously have the lowest development allocation and probably don't want to spend that time on their own solution IF the FIA is looking at closing it down. Its probably most costly to them to go down this path than others if its shut down/rules are tightened.
It we get it banned good, it maybe a setback for other teams, it not then we go down this path too with clarity (as much as that is possible with the FIA) on whats ahead.