2024 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya, June 21 - 23

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Re: 2024 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya, June 21 - 23

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Track temp is 41C
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ringo wrote:
22 Jun 2024, 23:35
venkyhere wrote:
22 Jun 2024, 19:13
Was looking at the final quali lap telemtry traces of NOR and VER, courtesy F1-tempo

- T5 and T7 is where Norris is gaining a cumulative 0.2

- T10 (and T13-14 is where VER is clawing back this same 0.2

- inherent driving style difference means VER is braking earlier and entering corners earlier, inorder to get onto throttle slightly earlier at exit (the 'more straightning of corners' driving style I was referring to last week). NOR is however, much smoother (like Button) with his brake and throttle inputs and carries higher minimal speeds through corners, helped possibly by the MCL38 being superior to RB20 in their current setups, when it comes to slow/medium corners. The Mclaren is able to rotate better than the more understeery RB20, I think. High-speed corners, RB20 is the undisputed king. The only exception to this is T10 where both cars/drivers are behaving almost exactly same.

It's almost confirmed in my mind, that the MCL38 has matched (possibly even surpassed) the RB20 in terms of ability. The Mclaren is, I believe, a much wider-window car than the RB20 as of today. The way they are going about the weekend, is with clockwork efficiency and precision like what RB19 used to do in 2023 - no setup drama, no driver complaints, right on the money from FP1 itself. The only remaining doubt is how the tyre deg of MCL38 (in normal summer temp conditions) is going to be, w.r.t the RB20. If that too proves better tomorrow, we can safely say the Mclaren is THE CAR of 2024, usurping the crown from RB20.
The Mcl has not surpased the RB20. RB20 still the better car. Lando is just doing his thing. Just by the mere fact some corners are full throttle for Max is enough evidence the RB20 is still in a different league. It maybe just needed less setbacks on Friday to extract more. If you have the best high speed cornering and better corner exits and braking like Rb20, then it's difficult to be beaten over the race. There is more margin to manage the race. My opinion, but I see Lando needing to push more to keep ahead. We have had close Qually all year and redbull still in a different league in the races. But who knows!
How many tenths did Max gain by being flat through some corners?

And show on telemetry where redbull was better on braking and acceleration and how many tenths Max earned…
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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:38
Track temp is 41C
Ferrari back in play?
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Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:43
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:38
Track temp is 41C
Ferrari back in play?
Hope so

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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:38
Track temp is 41C
That seems higher than expected?


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bluechris wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:49
Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:43
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:38
Track temp is 41C
Ferrari back in play?
Hope so
If they don’t end up on podium with track temperatures perfect for them, what will be their next excuse?
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Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:53
bluechris wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:49
Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:43


Ferrari back in play?
Hope so
If they don’t end up on podium with track temperatures perfect for them, what will be their next excuse?
Track position in Spain is very important and Mercedes seem quite fast this weekend. The race is already compromised for Ferrari.

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Max starting on used tyres whilst Norris on new tyres

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interesting, so Verstappen plans to do two stints on softs.

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Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:53
bluechris wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:49
Silent Storm wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:43


Ferrari back in play?
Hope so
If they don’t end up on podium with track temperatures perfect for them, what will be their next excuse?
Not sure but I don’t think they mentioned the tire temps issue this weekend, at least their S1 was competitive.

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organic wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:59
Max starting on used tyres whilst Norris on new tyres
Is it fully used or just a scrubbed one?

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FittingMechanics wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 15:01
organic wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:59
Max starting on used tyres whilst Norris on new tyres
Is it fully used or just a scrubbed one?
3 laps, so probably just one attack in that one.
Just posting

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FittingMechanics wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 15:01
organic wrote:
23 Jun 2024, 14:59
Max starting on used tyres whilst Norris on new tyres
Is it fully used or just a scrubbed one?
all used softs are three laps old (one hot lap)

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All George had to do was just drive his line while Lando and Max were dorking off with each other

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Similar to China sprint, Norris balls it up

Easy overtake for Max on George