2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 17:57
AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 17:09
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 09:38


Without that mistake he would have been P3 yes, but still by a very small margin. This means that both him and Sainz got very close to the max potential of the car. We have been seeing this trend since the first race in Bahrain, that is drivers making minor mistakes when trying to extract the 100% of the car in quali trim. This car is terrible in qualifying and currently the slowest of the top 3. Also looking at the difference in the race it could be that Sainz is using setups more tuned for quali performance and this is why he has been able to finish that close to Leclerc.


Leclerc is worth 1 tenth minimum in qualifying on any day and on any track when he does a good job. There isn’t more to say. Stop the excuses.
There is no need to be aggressive.
I'd like to add that Leclerc is usually quite honest when he doesn't do a good lap in quali. Back in 2021 when he was in pole in Baku, he literally said his lap was not good.

This time he said that there wasn't "more" to extract from the car. Of course with a perfect lap he would have been P3, but we are talking very very small margins. To me, it is clear that both him and Carlos were able to get close to the limit. As a matter of fact, Carlos has quite the record in Spain in terms of qualifying, considering that before matching with Charles he always finished ahead of his teammate outside 2019 with Lando.
How Carlos performed vs other drivers in Spain is not so useful to me because none of the others are Leclerc. In 2021 and 2022, there were considerable gaps in Spain in Leclerc's favor. 2023 is not considered because not getting out of Q1 is an outlier result. iirc, the car was steering to one direction last year.

The topic is only a small point (although it does not look to have been taken that way). He could have qualified P3. It would have changed his weekend. It would have changed the perspectives about Ferrari's performance. I think it was there for someone like him. That's all.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 16:01
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The race is expected to take place on unusually cold asphalt, which could lead to another very challenging qualifying session.

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That 2nd stint from LEC seems quite good.

This demonstrates that qualifying is indeed crucial, and it appears the team expects LEC to excel in that aspect. However, he has shown inconsistency on Saturdays, largely attributed to the car's characteristics in my opinion.



MCL38 will be out of reach on certain tracks tho

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AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:02
Xyz22 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 17:57
AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 17:09




Leclerc is worth 1 tenth minimum in qualifying on any day and on any track when he does a good job. There isn’t more to say. Stop the excuses.
There is no need to be aggressive.
I'd like to add that Leclerc is usually quite honest when he doesn't do a good lap in quali. Back in 2021 when he was in pole in Baku, he literally said his lap was not good.

This time he said that there wasn't "more" to extract from the car. Of course with a perfect lap he would have been P3, but we are talking very very small margins. To me, it is clear that both him and Carlos were able to get close to the limit. As a matter of fact, Carlos has quite the record in Spain in terms of qualifying, considering that before matching with Charles he always finished ahead of his teammate outside 2019 with Lando.
How Carlos performed vs other drivers in Spain is not so useful to me because none of the others are Leclerc. In 2021 and 2022, there were considerable gaps in Spain in Leclerc's favor. 2023 is not considered because not getting out of Q1 is an outlier result. iirc, the car was steering to one direction last year.

The topic is only a small point (although it does not look to have been taken that way). He could have qualified P3. It would have changed his weekend. It would have changed the perspectives about Ferrari's performance. I think it was there for someone like him. That's all.
Leclerc was really good at that old mickey mouse sector 3, i'm sure that was a factor in the gap he had over Carlos those years.

The Q was very close with Mercedes, if he didn't have that mistake in T5 he would've gotten them, same thing if the car could go faster in the final corner.

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deadhead wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:29
That 2nd stint from LEC seems quite good.

This demonstrates that qualifying is indeed crucial, and it appears the team expects LEC to excel in that aspect. However, he has shown inconsistency on Saturdays, largely attributed to the car's characteristics in my opinion.



MCL38 will be out of reach on certain tracks tho
Something everyone seems to be ignoring is that Leclerc did his medium stint later in the race than Verstappen. So every lap was done at a lower fuel load - 7 laps fuel difference going by the strategy graphic at the bottom

Still shows very good pace, but I think it's exaggerated

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organic wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:54
deadhead wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:29
That 2nd stint from LEC seems quite good.

This demonstrates that qualifying is indeed crucial, and it appears the team expects LEC to excel in that aspect. However, he has shown inconsistency on Saturdays, largely attributed to the car's characteristics in my opinion.



MCL38 will be out of reach on certain tracks tho
Something everyone seems to be ignoring is that Leclerc did his medium stint later in the race than Verstappen. So every lap was done at a lower fuel load - 7 laps fuel difference going by the strategy graphic at the bottom

Still shows very good pace, but I think it's exaggerated
Leclerc's second stint was at the same time as Norris tbf.

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The last stint, Max and Charles pushing hard in free air, and only tenth difference
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yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:12
The last stint, Max and Charles pushing hard in free air, and only tenth difference
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/wp-c ... 6.png.webp
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:19
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...
Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
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yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:20
SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:19
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...
Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
Norris was even on a used tire set in that last stint. Leclerc and Verstappen were on new softs. If Norris had new, that gap would be bigger.
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AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:32
yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:20
SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:19
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...
Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
Norris was even on a used tire set in that last stint. Leclerc and Verstappen were on new. If Norris had new, that gap would be bigger.
Leclerc was on used as well

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organic wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:54
deadhead wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 18:29
That 2nd stint from LEC seems quite good.

This demonstrates that qualifying is indeed crucial, and it appears the team expects LEC to excel in that aspect. However, he has shown inconsistency on Saturdays, largely attributed to the car's characteristics in my opinion.



MCL38 will be out of reach on certain tracks tho
Something everyone seems to be ignoring is that Leclerc did his medium stint later in the race than Verstappen. So every lap was done at a lower fuel load - 7 laps fuel difference going by the strategy graphic at the bottom

Still shows very good pace, but I think it's exaggerated
Also Norris lost time to overtake Sainz and the two Mercedes; I would look at the last stint, there the gaps are realistic, Leclerc one tenth behind Verstappen and Norris ahead by 3-4 tenths on Leclerc.

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:32
AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:32
yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:20


Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
Norris was even on a used tire set in that last stint. Leclerc and Verstappen were on new. If Norris had new, that gap would be bigger.
Leclerc was on used as well
Well there you go. It shows how qualifying (as discussed previously) would have completely changed the perception of Ferrari's race and their upgrades.
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AR3-GP wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:32
yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:20
SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:19
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...
Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
Norris was even on a used tire set in that last stint. Leclerc and Verstappen were on new softs. If Norris had new, that gap would be bigger.
Only Max on new softs.
It’s comparable anyway as Max stint was 3 laps longer, so the new soft gets compensated.

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yooogurt wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:20
SoulPancake13 wrote:
24 Jun 2024, 19:19
That gap to Lando is extreme tho...
Yeah Mclaren in low fuel its scary beast.
It is quite unbelievable. It is only stint where both Norris and Leclerc were pushing flat out for sure, so the only representative one for comparison.

That is RB19 level domination in the right hands