Good table. Convenient and clear. It is nice to realize that McLaren has reached the top level in pure speed. Let's see what happens if the team brings updates to Silverstone. To what extent this can be enough for the team to fight for victories with a reserve.Emag wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 20:17https://i.imgur.com/hAOGMsP.png
Just amazing pace by Norris all the way through. It's particularly interesting to look at the gap to Leclerc, because both were on comparable strategies, and despite having to go through traffic in his second stint (from lap 36 after he cleared George and Lewis, he was going much quicker), Lando was 2 tenths quicker in the middle stint (on average).
Difference when both were on clear air with used softs at the end goes up to 4 tenths.
I am actually surprised the race pace turned out to be this good compared to Ferrari.
I thought you'd appreciate the Russian author. I never read it, but Anna Karenina I did enjoy a lot.LionsHeart wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 16:05War and Peace. Leo Tolstoy.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 15:48I think it is best to wait and see what happens at Austria. I see another post suggesting RB might struggle there due to the kerbs, but Canada should be putting those predictions on hold.SilviuAgo wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 13:52
Although mwillems said to keep it shorter I had the pleasure (and patience ) to read all this post and, instead of reading 10 pages of 100 posts saying also some crazy stuff, this is a well done summary of what happened this race and what is next. Chapeau Mr LionsHeart
I really hope RedBull Ring will be kind to McLaren and, if last year in Hungary I had the opportunity to see Lando P2, this time I hope to see live a P1. And if is both in Sprint and Main Race...then I will not say no
No idea what others will do, but I'm certain that Mclaren will be very much in the mix again and possibly we might even sneak the title of favourites...
Enough. My stomach hurts from laughing.
Is it nice to know that the team has climbed out of the midfield? I read Carlos' interview today, he said that he was impressed with McLaren's consistency. After all, in the last six races McLaren has had at least one car in the top two at the finish. It's a bit reminiscent of last season, when Lando had a lot of second places in the race.
I reckon for the rest of this year (fingers crossed), and next year, the gaps will be wafer thin, and it'll be the type of racing I really enjoy: competitive but not dominant. It is a lot of fun, trying to work out which car and driver will have the edge at which track, and in which conditions.
And I appreciated it. We read most of these books back in school during literature lessons. However, I can't say that I like War and Peace. It is written in a heavy language and it is a bit difficult to keep the thoughts in your head. To understand all the subtleties that the writer has laid out.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 22:57I thought you'd appreciate the Russian author. I never read it, but Anna Karenina I did enjoy a lot.LionsHeart wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 16:05War and Peace. Leo Tolstoy.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 15:48
I think it is best to wait and see what happens at Austria. I see another post suggesting RB might struggle there due to the kerbs, but Canada should be putting those predictions on hold.
No idea what others will do, but I'm certain that Mclaren will be very much in the mix again and possibly we might even sneak the title of favourites...
Enough. My stomach hurts from laughing.
Is it nice to know that the team has climbed out of the midfield? I read Carlos' interview today, he said that he was impressed with McLaren's consistency. After all, in the last six races McLaren has had at least one car in the top two at the finish. It's a bit reminiscent of last season, when Lando had a lot of second places in the race.
Yeah they are doing well. It'll be interesting to see what the teams bring over the next races and where that affects the order.
LionsHeart wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 10:17And I appreciated it. We read most of these books back in school during literature lessons. However, I can't say that I like War and Peace. It is written in a heavy language and it is a bit difficult to keep the thoughts in your head. To understand all the subtleties that the writer has laid out.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 22:57I thought you'd appreciate the Russian author. I never read it, but Anna Karenina I did enjoy a lot.LionsHeart wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 16:05
War and Peace. Leo Tolstoy.
Enough. My stomach hurts from laughing.
Is it nice to know that the team has climbed out of the midfield? I read Carlos' interview today, he said that he was impressed with McLaren's consistency. After all, in the last six races McLaren has had at least one car in the top two at the finish. It's a bit reminiscent of last season, when Lando had a lot of second places in the race.
Yeah they are doing well. It'll be interesting to see what the teams bring over the next races and where that affects the order.
I just liked the way you turned my message around very briefly and added "The End" at the end. You know, in school we sometimes used to do other things, like a short summary, to better understand certain literary works. It allowed us to shorten the reading time and better understand the meaning of what was written. The way you wrote it is very competent. It explains everything in a nutshell and overall it turned out to be a good reference.
Yes, something like that. When Will, Lando's engineer, started talking about an undercut, I thought it would be a good idea, but by talking about it they provoked Mercedes to do a defensive undercut, thus opening up a straight space for Lando to drive at his real pace.mwillems wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 10:28LionsHeart wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 10:17And I appreciated it. We read most of these books back in school during literature lessons. However, I can't say that I like War and Peace. It is written in a heavy language and it is a bit difficult to keep the thoughts in your head. To understand all the subtleties that the writer has laid out.
I just liked the way you turned my message around very briefly and added "The End" at the end. You know, in school we sometimes used to do other things, like a short summary, to better understand certain literary works. It allowed us to shorten the reading time and better understand the meaning of what was written. The way you wrote it is very competent. It explains everything in a nutshell and overall it turned out to be a good reference.
I did read your message, and I also summarised it in ChatGPT just because I was interested. I agree with what you are saying. But I don't know that it was obvious that the offset was a good idea. I thought they were going to stretch to a one stop on the softs by going another 4 laps. It certainly seemed like they could. The offset will usually be inherently slower. In this case, I think it was Lando's driving and the car being good on the tyres which got us more laps at the end of the stints before the tyres plateaued to run at smaller but quicker delta to those around us.
One thing I did not consider in the race was how strong of an effect the dirty air was having on the tyre temps, and I think this is what brought us the time and made it work. The Delta helped us get past people. More people than if we'd pitted earlier. But it ensured we'd get past them and into clean air, where the tyre temps would be lower and the car pushed to go faster whilst still managing the tyres.
I knew the dirty air was affecting us, but I thought it was from an aero point of view because I've seen this car struggle all season in dirty air. I still think the aero struggles a little more in dirty air than we'd like (outside of tyre temperatures), but predominantly the gift in this race was tyre temps as once again... this race was all about the tyres.
I don't see why McLaren would suffer in the rain. Both Lando and Oscar are very good in the rain. Perhaps makes it a little more of a lottery for everyone. And maybe gives Red Bull a bit of an easier time on the kerbsSilviuAgo wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 17:49For the moment we are in Ljubljana and the weather is perfect, but some forecast for the weekend is not looking good. Some rain in PM for Saturday and rain around 2-3 PM for Sunday. So I hope the race result not to be impacted by the weather. I think that in McL position and race pace, a dry track will be more suitable than a wet one. What is you opinion?
As we saw in Canada from george's race and lando's with the SC it's just way more of a lottery. If you have the dry pace then wet just can make things complicatedMacklaren wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 18:52I don't see why McLaren would suffer in the rain. Both Lando and Oscar are very good in the rain. Perhaps makes it a little more of a lottery for everyone. And maybe gives Red Bull a bit of an easier time on the kerbsSilviuAgo wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 17:49For the moment we are in Ljubljana and the weather is perfect, but some forecast for the weekend is not looking good. Some rain in PM for Saturday and rain around 2-3 PM for Sunday. So I hope the race result not to be impacted by the weather. I think that in McL position and race pace, a dry track will be more suitable than a wet one. What is you opinion?
Yup, weather in Styria always was strange I remember couple a years ago being for FRECA races at RedBull Ring and over an hour we had plenty of sun, heavy rain, sun with clouds, light rain, hot sun....a real chaos due to the natural place of the track. You never know what is coming from behind the hills
This happens in mountainous areas and regions.SilviuAgo wrote: ↑25 Jun 2024, 18:55Yup, weather in Styria always was strange I remember couple a years ago being for FRECA races at RedBull Ring and over an hour we had plenty of sun, heavy rain, sun with clouds, light rain, hot sun....a real chaos due to the natural place of the track. You never know what is coming from behind the hills