2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Paa]

so it seems confirmed that the big package won't be there in Silverstone, rather in Budapest.

It would have been strange bringing it at the last race of a triple header tbh.

[Sergej]

so it seems confirmed that the big package won't be there in Silverstone, rather in Budapest.

It would have been strange bringing it at the last race of a triple header tbh.

maybe, but it would have been helpful to have it in an aero track like Silverstone where as of now we will have no chance against this McLaren, but anyway if the package is not ready there's not much to do, let's go damage limitation.

[diffuser]

They don't want a really good driver that will challenge Max. Don't you get it?

What is happening is EXACTLY what RBR want. If they didn't want that, they wouldn't have given him a 2 year contract!!!!!

It's RIGHT in front of your noses but you don't see it.

Why did they bother to replace Gasly and Albon who were doing the same as Perez?

Perez's money and the marketing makes the difference. That is why he has 2 more years. Perez is not a Red Bull junior. This team never fielded non-Red Bull juniors in their history before Perez.

That is part of it. Don't forget they lead both championship by a large margin. So what more can you get from Perez that will change those out comes?

[AR3-GP]

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/13845285 ... e-bezorgen

in this article Erik van Haren should talk about next upgrades for Red Bull, unfortunately it's behind pay wall and I cannot read it.

“After all, the racing stable hopes to come up with a major update package before the summer break and cannot miss a day.”

https://archive.is/rYIar

thank you for your link

so it seems confirmed that the big package won't be there in Silverstone, rather in Budapest.

Italians are saying the same too.

The updates – planned for the round in Hungary as happened last year – by Christian Horner's men will have the crucial task of keeping the excellent MCL38 at bay in the second half of the season and avoiding a, for now, an unlikely World Championship comeback.

https://formu1a.uno/it/red-bull-imperfe ... talizzato/

[Dunlay]

Little bit of perspective.

Last 4 Races:

Verstappen: 83 Points
Perez: 8 Points

This is what happenes when money comes above integrity and quality. A driver that has no right to be on the grid is driving the best car on the grid. There are atleast 10 junior drivers who can do far better job than Perez, right from the word go. But we won't see that happening.

Not sure why you’re so confident of that. We’ve now seen Perez, Albon and Gasly all struggle massively in the Red Bull over the past 5/6 years. Perez was a more than solid midfield driver prior to joining Red Bull, and a race winner. Since leaving Red Bull, Gasly is also considered a very strong driver who’s also a race winner, Albon likewise is now highly rated at Williams.

Guaranteed if Perez jumped into another team for the rest of the season, he’d also ‘suddenly look good’ again.

You are making assumptions that the cars from 2019 to 2024 have exact same behaviour of lack of balance, due to which Albon and Gasly struggled. They are two different regulations and cars are vastly different. This year, Marko even made statement that the car is designed to also work for Perez. He started last year and this on a positive note, that suggest the car worked for him, which was never the case with Gasly and Albon. They never made attempts to specifically help those two drivers to mend the car to their preferences. Situations were different as they were desparately chasing from so far behind Mercedes, their focus was never to try helping the other driver as much.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/183522/m ... -2023.html

[venkyhere]

Verstappen may have lost (almost conclusive) his 3rd Engine that was brand new in Canada but lasted less than a few minutes of FP2 session (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10627269/). So it's a 3 engine pool now, without penalty. The inevitable 4th has to come.

[Sergej]

We already knew a penalty was coming, not sure about the 10 place grid drop though, with that fire for sure it's not only one single element to be lost, I think they will change the whole PU and start from the back.

Shame it happened with a brand new PU, just fitted in and went boom; I suspect a not perfect installation, which adds to the brake clown show of Melbourne which costed at least 18 points; things to fix.

[Kingshark]

According to Andrew Benson, having spoken to a multiple very senior people in F1, they have all confirmed that Max has 2-3 tenths on the rest of the field.

[SirBastianVettel]

According to Andrew Benson, having spoken to a multiple very senior people in F1, they have all confirmed that Max has 2-3 tenths on the rest of the field.

That must be quite painful to hear for Verstappen when someone like Alonso, who Max looks up to, has 6 tenths on the field.

[r85]

According to Andrew Benson, having spoken to a multiple very senior people in F1, they have all confirmed that Max has 2-3 tenths on the rest of the field.

That's a bit much isn't it? Norris and Verstappen were matched on pace in Imola, Canada and Spain. Removing those tenths he has on the field to bring him to their level would put him between or behind Russell/Hamilton in the three races. There's no way that Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren gained so much over the last few months to match or beat Max, especially McLaren. Max is driving near or at the limit of the car because he's one of the only drivers who can extract so much from the car. That's also an insult to the other drivers who are extremely quick themselves.

[Dunlay]

According to Andrew Benson, having spoken to a multiple very senior people in F1, they have all confirmed that Max has 2-3 tenths on the rest of the field.

That must be quite painful to hear for Verstappen when someone like Alonso, who Max looks up to, has 6 tenths on the field.

I fail to understand how someone decide such things. Why 2 tenths and why not a full second?

Even if 2 drivers are in the same cars in one team, the characteristics of the car might suit one over the other. It's like a team gives 12 size shoes to both its sprinters where 12 is a good fit for one sprinter and the other's size needs are 11, in which case it's always the one with 12 size that wins. But the team can make only one size. If they make 11 then it's a perfect fit for the other sprinter and he always wins. An F1 team can never make two specifications that are perfect match for two drivers in a team and no two drivers like exact same characteristics. So the one towards whom a car tilts in it's characteristics, would win almost always. That would motivate the team to continue enhancing the characteristics of the car towards the one whom the car favoured first as he is winning. If the other driver is consistently around a tenth of two behind in the same cars, then you know where the difference is.

[diffuser]

Agree

They don't want a really good driver that will challenge Max. Don't you get it?

What is happening is EXACTLY what RBR want. If they didn't want that, they wouldn't have given him a 2 year contract!!!!!

It's RIGHT in front of your noses but you don't see it.

VER has proven time and time again that he will wipe the floor with any team mate. It was RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR NOSE, but you didn't see it.

Unless they brought in one of the few absolute top drivers like LEC or ALO, VER wont be sweating. But there are like 18 better #2 drivers on the grid alone.

Also, there is no 'the red bull'. It's individuals making choices. Bad choices. Don't you get it?

I'm not sure what that has to do with why RBR is happy with Perez.

[TFSA]

That's a bit much isn't it? Norris and Verstappen were matched on pace in Imola, Canada and Spain. Removing those tenths he has on the field to bring him to their level would put him between or behind Russell/Hamilton in the three races. There's no way that Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren gained so much over the last few months to match or beat Max, especially McLaren. Max is driving near or at the limit of the car because he's one of the only drivers who can extract so much from the car. That's also an insult to the other drivers who are extremely quick themselves.

3 tenths is probably a stretch, but many people have been saying that people have overestimated the Red Bull car. Even in the latter stages of 2023, we saw races where the RB19 wasn't at its best (like Vegas or Brazil, or even Qatar after they introduced the max stint length), and where the outcome was decently close - and that could possibly be attributed to Verstappen. Note that this is after taking into account safety cars etc.

So maybe the issue isn't so much that the other teams have caught up, but that the RB19/RB20 has been driven to the limit by Verstappen. In that case, the RB isn't necessarily as strong as many people believe it to be.

To be honest, in race trim, i still believe Hamilton may genuinely be a contender for the 2nd fastest driver on the grid. We just really don't get to see it because the Mercedes car has been all over the place since 2022, and his qualifying has left a lot to be desired. I'd put it between him and Lando in race pace for 2nd on the grid. Verstappen prob has 1-1½ tenths on them.

[AR3-GP]

Marko's traditional post-race column: https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... -Sieg.html

[Sergej]

Marko's traditional post-race column: https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... -Sieg.html

Interesting that Marko points to the sprint weekend as the main difficulty for Austria, rather than the track characteristic (kerbs); but after the sprint, parc fermé is re-opened and you can fix some setup woes, in my opinion finding the right setup should be less of a problem with this format compared to last year.