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Does this mean they brought the Barcelona spec, but with a minor revision?
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djos wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:13
Does this mean they brought the Barcelona spec, but with a minor revision?
Yea, they're splitting it though for FP1, Barcelona spec for Ricciardo, old parts for Yuki along with this upgrade for both

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/rb-to ... /10628206/

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Luscion wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:20
djos wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:13
Does this mean they brought the Barcelona spec, but with a minor revision?
Yea, they're splitting it though for FP1, Barcelona spec for Ricciardo, old parts for Yuki along with this upgrade for both

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/rb-to ... /10628206/
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Luscion wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:20
djos wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:13
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Does this mean they brought the Barcelona spec, but with a minor revision?
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Yea, they're splitting it though for FP1, Barcelona spec for Ricciardo, old parts for Yuki along with this upgrade for both

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/rb-to ... /10628206/
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Thanks for the news! I don't get it. "Some pieces" on one car and " some pieces" on the other car.
Are they going to change both cars and mix several pieces. So two complete new and different cars?!

Could you explane what they are gone do?
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Wouter wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:43
Luscion wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:20
djos wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 11:13

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Does this mean they brought the Barcelona spec, but with a minor revision?
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Yea, they're splitting it though for FP1, Barcelona spec for Ricciardo, old parts for Yuki along with this upgrade for both

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/rb-to ... /10628206/
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Thanks for the news! I don't get it. "Some pieces" on one car and " some pieces" on the other car.
Are they going to change both cars and mix several pieces. So two complete new and different cars?!

Could you explane what they are gone do?
I’m wondering if they did some simulations with a hybrid spec, and are hoping it correlates better than last weeks spec.
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Let's hope they follow McLaren and Haas direction.
Debriefing the triple-header with Autosport, team principal Laurent Mekies admitted its Barcelona upgrades had actually made the VCARB01 slower and RB reverted to most of the old package, taking off its new floor.

The Barcelona package was intended to trade in some of RB's outstanding low-speed performance for better high-speed stability, which didn't translate into the real world. It also dealt with a fluttering new rear wing, but a temporary fix meant the more efficient wing could stay on.

"The big picture is that we had to reverse most of the Barcelona upgrade. Not all of it, but most of it, and unavoidably it cost us performance," Mekies explained.

"We were hoping to add performance compared to where we were in Canada and Monaco, and instead of that we have to backtrack.

"We certainly understand why we didn't go faster with it. There is some question over why it actually made us slower, because we think that's what it did.

"The beauty of these cars is that they are extremely complex. It's all down to the very last details and second order of things, stuff that we weren't looking at a few years ago.

"I would say we have a fairly clear idea of what we want for the next package. Are we 100% sure? No, absolutely not. It's a work in progress. It will take us some time.

Much like Ferrari lost over two months of in-season car development by having to take its updates back off the SF-24, Mekies pointed out RB's misfiring upgrades will continue to hurt the squad's performance over the medium-term as it feeds back its findings into the next upgrade package - one that won't arrive until after the summer break.

"The company is flat out to try to make sure we get another update soon. It won't be tomorrow morning, so we probably have to resist another three, four or five races," Mekies explained.

"In our case, when you don't hit success with one upgrade, it's not only a matter to say: 'OK, when is the next one?'

"You have to first understand what went wrong, so it's a double negative effect. Not only did you not pocket the advantage you wanted, but you also have to delay the next one until you actually understand what's going on.

"While we are waiting for that, the team is going to be still exploring how to extract more from the car. There are still some balance characteristics that we are not completely happy with and we are confident that there is more time to be gained."

RB had been one of the most rapidly developing teams on the grid, kickstarted by a significant upgrade at the 2023 Singapore Grand Prix.

The team's aggressive development strategy has made its first major upgrade setback easier to accept, and it is laying bare some of the areas the outfit still needs to improve.

"Of course, it's a step back, but it's a necessary step back. We have been extremely aggressive with development of the car since the beginning of the season," Mekies added.

"That's why we managed to make the progress we made, so if you run fast, sometimes you need to accept to fall.

"It's something that will help us build a better foundation in the team to fundamentally be stronger with our development."

In contrast to RB, Haas' comprehensive Silverstone upgrades did hit the mark and helped contribute to Nico Hulkenberg's sixth place in the British GP, to push the team four points off RB in the fight for sixth.

It has livened up what looked to be a more predictable midfield battle, but Mekies reckons the small gaps between teams will continue to cause fluctuations.

"We are certainly in that fight for P6," he concluded. "[The downgrade] may hurt, as we have seen how Haas has continued to perform.

"You have seen Alpine going up and down, ourselves going up and down. And in the final stint [in Silverstone] Alex Albon just drove by us.

"It's very, very tight with Haas and probably will be tight with Alpine and Williams later on in the year, but it's part of the game and we'll be fighting back later on.

"Every race weekend there are still swings in performance, which means that you can still nail a weekend better than the other teams."
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/what- ... /10634157/

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What I would like to see:

Replace the pointy front end with a broader nose
Overbite sidepods
Consistently not using the halo winglet (finally removed for the first time in Silverstone!)
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An interesting bit about the two different spec VCARBs that ran at Hungary. If I recall, the Miami spec is the old floor and sidepods. The halo was not Miami spec since that had the boomerang.
“Both were in Q3 for the second time this year,” Bayer said of RB’s result. “Honestly, after Barcelona, Spielberg and Silverstone, it's good to be at the front again.

“The car was really well set up here. I think a lot is possible here [in the race]."

When asked if the Hungaroring’s lower-speed layout is boosting RB after its difficult run of races since it introduced its problematic Barcelona upgrade, Bayer replied: "The slow corners here help us.

“Daniel's car, for example, was completely back to Miami spec. It really suited him there. Everything came together for him here. The high temperature, the soft tyre and then the car in Miami spec, and also our strength in slow corners, which was noticeable here."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-r ... /10637045/

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Looks like they are up to something again under the livery guise. RB20 front nose...

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Update: I could be wrong but it seems like these renders are from an earlier spec car still having the halo.
The nose cone does seem "flatter" compared to the earlier renders made available by VCARB (could also be lighting, but the lightbar lines are farther out on the HUGO render compared to the launch and Miami renders. Not quite to what RB20 has slimmed down to now but is reminiscent. I suspect the suspension and gearbox will aim to compliment the philosophy.

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