2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Mini long run on the Hards looked strong. Russell started faster deg'd. Charles very steady.

Hard - 16 laps at start
1.08.814
1.09.328
1.09.4
1.09.172
1.09.3795
1.09.041

might have missed some

Rus Hard
9.07
9.044
8.7
9.38
9.865

Pia Hard- 18

9.514
9.44
9.628
9.4
9.7

dia6olo
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I know it's only FP but it looks like another lost weekend to me, I don't know what their tyre deg race pace looks like but one lap pace looks well off and they are likely to start row 3 at best and I don't see them making any progress from there either...

SoulPancake13
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dia6olo wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:29
I know it's only FP but it looks like another lost weekend to me, I don't know what their tyre deg race pace looks like but one lap pace looks well off and they are likely to start row 3 at best and I don't see them making any progress from there either...
We all know that the car is limited in one lap pace, there is not much the team can do about it. Long run pace looks super competitive.

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dia6olo wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:29
I know it's only FP but it looks like another lost weekend to me, I don't know what their tyre deg race pace looks like but one lap pace looks well off and they are likely to start row 3 at best and I don't see them making any progress from there either...
This is a track you can overtake quite easily on. So, I wouldn’t be so pessimistic

Deliman Cristian
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Traction is the main isue for Ferrari this weekend.
Crucial traction zone is 1 and 2 corner, because is 3 DRS zone. If they manage to put a good setup for the last sector, to gain in high speed corner, maybe the traction isue will be less problem in time laps.

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Sphere3758 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:39
dia6olo wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:29
I know it's only FP but it looks like another lost weekend to me, I don't know what their tyre deg race pace looks like but one lap pace looks well off and they are likely to start row 3 at best and I don't see them making any progress from there either...
This is a track you can overtake quite easily on. So, I wouldn’t be so pessimistic
Starting P5/6/7 and overtaking the likes of AM, RB, Alpine is one thing, overtaking the current Red Bulls, McLarens and Mercedes's is clearly very much another thing even on an easy to overtake track.
Hopefully we'll get to see a jump from Ferrari when it comes to qualifying but if not and the best is row 3, I don't see them troubling the above mentioned quicker cars in the race.
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Let's wait for quali, but i don't understand why people were so sure this race would have been better.

What's changed is Mercedes performance. They improved a lot since the start of the season, and now they are ahead in terms of quali performance. This makes competing with RB and McL way more difficult.

In Q trim we are awful in high speed corners. Sainz did the last corner much better than Leclerc though. Maybe there is margin to improve or simply they are using different setups.

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Albano said that Ferrari was i lower PU mode that other
FORZA FERRARI!

AR3-GP
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Xyz22 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:49
Let's wait for quali, but i don't understand why people were so sure this race would have been better.
1) Sainz and Leclerc both said it would be better.
2) Sainz mentioned lack of the high speed corners, which is true.

Reactions to FP1 are premature (except for Mclaren...).
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 15:07
Xyz22 wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 13:49
Let's wait for quali, but i don't understand why people were so sure this race would have been better.
1) Sainz and Leclerc both said it would be better.
2) Sainz mentioned lack of the high speed corners, which is true.

Reactions to FP1 are premature (except for Mclaren...).
Hopefully they are right.

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deadhead
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SoulPancake13 wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:22
So the 1.5 tenths they aren't seeing is related to the "problems" the car was born with.
“Chassis & suspension”

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:50
yooogurt wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:44
SoulPancake13 wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:22
I asked Donadoni on twitter for some clarification on the upgrades(I don't know Italian so I rely on translation services a lot for the articles). He said that the team expected to see a 5 tenths improvement, but only saw 3.5 tenths of it. There is one tenth they can gain from just optimization. So the 1.5 tenths they aren't seeing is related to the "problems" the car was born with.
hmm 3.5+1.5+1 = 6, when team expect 5.
mb problem cost 0.5, not 1.5?
The overall gain they could find is 6 tenths. They expected to see 5 tenths this weekend since they haven't fully optimized the upgrade yet. They only saw 3.5 tenths. Theoretically then, the max from the upgrades would be 4.5 tenths.

Rereading the article though, it seems that Donadoni says that the bouncing was the reason why all the gain was not shown. Duchessa said on his twitter earlier too that the team expects to have removed the bouncing for Austria, so maybe we see a 1.5 tenth gain just from that.
I don't think that Donadoni said the Barcelona update was worth 5 tenths. I think he said that included Imola, and reflected the total value of updates brought so far this season. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood.
A lion must kill its prey.

SoulPancake13
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jun 2024, 15:13
SoulPancake13 wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:50
yooogurt wrote:
27 Jun 2024, 19:44


hmm 3.5+1.5+1 = 6, when team expect 5.
mb problem cost 0.5, not 1.5?
The overall gain they could find is 6 tenths. They expected to see 5 tenths this weekend since they haven't fully optimized the upgrade yet. They only saw 3.5 tenths. Theoretically then, the max from the upgrades would be 4.5 tenths.

Rereading the article though, it seems that Donadoni says that the bouncing was the reason why all the gain was not shown. Duchessa said on his twitter earlier too that the team expects to have removed the bouncing for Austria, so maybe we see a 1.5 tenth gain just from that.
I don't think that Donadoni said the Barcelona update was worth 5 tenths. I think he said that included Imola, and reflected the total value of updates brought so far this season. Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was treating Imola and Spain upgrades as a whole package, you are correct.

jambuka
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4th fastest in qualifying, you read it here first.

SoulPancake13
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Going to be super tight here. Will be a matter of getting a clean lap and making as few mistakes as possible. We can fight for at least the second row imo.