2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[jambuka]

The development war was lost when Cardille reiterated over and over last winter that suspension is not the main factor.

[Seanspeed]

It is looking quite likely to be very wet during the race tomorrow at this moment.

Anybody who thinks they know what the weather will be like at Silverstone tomorrow during race time has never lived in England during these sorts of times.

We can certainly say that there's a chance of rain, but that's about it. Beyond that, high/low/heavy/light/etc, there's honestly no telling at this point. It's just not hot it works. Today, I was watching it be sunshine in my front yard, while raining in the backyard. And then like ten minutes later, it was sunshine in the backyard, and dark clouds rolling in out front.

[Seanspeed]

Taking a break for a while. I'm not sure when I will be replying to any private messages I might receive

Take care everyone, enjoy the show and stop dropping brown stuff all over the team

We'll stop dropping 'brown stuff' over the team when they get their act together and stop falling apart mid-season. It wont stop me being a Ferrari fan, but being a fan is not about being blindly optimistic. They deserve the criticism at the moment and defending them here when things are clearly going terribly does nothing except make you look deluded.

I think the one big caveat though, is that this season is incredibly bizarre. We almost never, ever see one team making the leap from like 3rd best to best in the course of half a season, let alone two teams making a similar competitive leap, especially against a previously dominant team. Like, if you told people at the start of the season that Mercedes would be top challengers within a few months, absolutely nobody would believe it for a second. Mclaren as well. The fact that they've both made that leap in the same season is just kind of unheard of.

[Sevach]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... e-exposed/

[FDD]

The development war was lost when Cardille reiterated over and over last winter that suspension is not the main factor.

Many engineers said that not only him.
But there is also another thing, Cardile said that push rod/pull rod is not the problem, but people do not want to understand that.
The problem is the internal elements (if I can name it like that) geometry/elasticity/rigidity - bars, dampers, rockers, third element... and the set up.
It is unbelievable that there are so many people with the beer in their hands still saying that front suspension must be pull rod and push rod for the rear, for a better traction.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Max trashed his floor and ended up P4. This Ferrari is slow and Vasseur blaming the team for "poor execution" sounds like Binotto 2.0

Vasseur is in a tough spot right now. He can't come outright and say "we built a shitty car", but at the same time this comes off as him dodging the question and real problem. We don't know what things are like internally, I believe this problem is far too big for Vasseur or any single person to handle in 2024. He's doing his best bringing in new talent to SF like Serra, but not being able to grab Newey or some of the other big names is a huge loss.

However his wording today definitely could have been better. No, Sainz and Leclerc didn't put in optimal laps. But the execution of this weekend so far has been poor just like Barcelona was. I understand that they needed Leclerc to run the old spec to gain insight, but the least they could do is back him up when he says he didn't feel comfortable in the car this weekend. You could hear on the radio he was caught off guard by how the car performed in the dry on softs because he had no practice with it. Sainz, he had bad timing on his lap which was a real shame because he's driven well this weekend. But I don't think the car was realistically going above P5, "perfect lap" aside.

[deadhead]

At this point Ferrari should just bite the bullet, not bring any more upgrades but just work on new suspension and try to bring it this year and get some real world data. That’s the only way

Good idea since they will be going in “blind” with a whole new suspension and car next year and it might take 8-10 races until they “understand the car”.

Most likely impossible to do this year because of the budget.

[venkyhere]

2022 started off as the Ferrari being the best car, by a clear margin.
2.5 years later,
2024 mid-season break nearing, the Ferrari is the 4th fastest car, at the risk of getting beaten by Haas.

Whatever happened in between within the 2.5yrs, is not really relevant from a 'big picture' perspective. Tifosi have every right to be disappointed. I personally thought, that it was all operational loopholes and that the technical dept was solid. Now, not so anymore, and it's sad to see. And I am not even Tifosi.

[CaribouBread]

2022 started off as the Ferrari being the best car, by a clear margin.
2.5 years later,
2024 mid-season break nearing, the Ferrari is the 4th fastest car, at the risk of getting beaten by Haas.

Whatever happened in between within the 2.5yrs, is not really relevant from a 'big picture' perspective. Tifosi have every right to be disappointed. I personally thought, that it was all operational loopholes and that the technical dept was solid. Now, not so anymore, and it's sad to see. And I am not even Tifosi.

Its difficult to outright say that the technical department is bad. Every year, out of winter they bring a fairly competitive, but flawed car. But they can barely fix those flaws, and even if they do (23) its too late or the compromises made makes it uncompetitive. Its almost like they have different technical teams handling in-season dev and year on year development, I don't think the pressure of winter development is any less than in season development. Strange stuff all around honestly.

[dani5549]

I believe they never understood their car. Think about the first few races where we thought they were just too conservative. Now, after 2 upgrades, they didn't improve at all and they are slow without having any idea why.

[Sergej]

I think Tifosi are fully right in criticizing the team, I mean they fuc*ed one of the most important upgrade of the season, 3rd year with these rules and yet they have porpoising. You would like to hear a Team Principal taking responsibility, instead he goes Binoto, calling for drivers' errors, close margins and other bs. I would go mad as well.

[dani5549]

I think Tifosi are fully right in criticizing the team, I mean they fuc*ed one of the most important upgrade of the season, 3rd year with these rules and yet they have porpoising. You would like to hear a Team Principal taking responsibility, instead he goes Binoto, calling for drivers' errors, close margins and other bs. I would go mad as well.

I agree, i expected more from Vasseur

[yooogurt]

Ferrari: in his interview with @SkySportF1 after qualifying at Silverstone, Vasseur dodged the question of internal movements, but according to the news, the team is indeed undergoing a metamorphosis, and it's a delicate transition.

- The team is reeling under the weight of new signings that will create new hierarchies from October onwards: Jérôme D'Ambrosio's announcement as deputy team manager is generating a great deal of discontent among some long-serving members of the team, who have learned of the move via a press release. D'Ambrosio will drastically shake things up internally.

- Loic Serra, future technical director, enters the company without the move or the choice having been shared in advance with anyone on the technical team.

- The difficulties also reveal the tension of a changing team, with Vasseur intervening in all departments, pushing for an ever more aggressive approach and inserting more and more new people.

- And hovering over all this is the spirit of Adrian Newey, whose value nobody would dream of questioning, but who, if he arrives, can only play a major role in the future technical balance. Among the results of these earthquakes is the departure of Enrico Cardile. But Radio Scuderia is also talking about other possible internal adjustments that could also affect the powertrain sector, in and out.

- Beyond the current results, which aren't exactly brilliant, this isn't the Ferrari of "continuity" that Vasseur has always displayed since his first interview in red. But he's making a lot of purchases, and internally, the revolution is making itself felt.

https://www.formulapassion.it/editorial ... -ma-perche

[Sphere3758]

I think Tifosi are fully right in criticizing the team, I mean they fuc*ed one of the most important upgrade of the season, 3rd year with these rules and yet they have porpoising. You would like to hear a Team Principal taking responsibility, instead he goes Binoto, calling for drivers' errors, close margins and other bs. I would go mad as well.

I agree, i expected more from Vasseur

It is his first real test as the Ferrari TP, it was all rosy until now as people gave him the benefit of the doubt and lay blame on his predecessors.
I will reserve judgement for a few more races. Hungary should be a good track for us, I hope they fix whatever the issue is by the race after that (Spa)

[Zxeros]

Taking a break for a while. I'm not sure when I will be replying to any private messages I might receive

Take care everyone, enjoy the show and stop dropping brown stuff all over the team

You were so smug in the Mercedes threads at the start of the season, criticizing the team for how they developed the car, now that Ferrari are struggling you're running away? interesting.