2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[mwillems]

I'd like to know why Lando and Oscar split tyre choice at the end, did Oscar make the call?

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I'd like to know why Lando and Oscar split tyre choice at the end, did Oscar make the call?

Pretty sure Lando was given the call and he chose softs

[Ben1980]

McLaren's strategists are in 10th place out of 10. This is a real shame.

I believe we're gonna live with this for the rest of the year at least. Hiring a proper strategist takes time

The main thing is for Andrea to understand that a big apology is needed.

He has nothing to apologise for. But, did admit the mistakes after the race.

[LionsHeart]

Ahahahaha

Such a dry British remark, Bravo

Let it be so. If it will somehow mentally help the team in the future, then let it be so.

I will consider this as karma towards me.

I assumed you were being sarcastic as it's the only season we've had the opportunity to throw away wins, there it has to be the season we threw away the most wins

Now yes. Now it is definitely true. Last time was in 2021. The number of errors in one race exceeded the permissible limits and they affected the results of the race. So it is safe to say that this is the worst season for McLaren in terms of the inability to convert victories. I hope this is the worst we've seen this year. Things like this are sobering and should be a lesson for the team.

[Ben1980]

I'd like to know why Lando and Oscar split tyre choice at the end, did Oscar make the call?

Pretty sure Lando was given the call and he chose softs

Think he said he was fine with either, they then pretty much chose softs for him.

Oscar was offered mediums and he said yep.

Hamilton going on softs probably influenced it more.

[mwillems]

I'd like to know why Lando and Oscar split tyre choice at the end, did Oscar make the call?

Pretty sure Lando was given the call and he chose softs

Team made the call, Lando deferred.

[mwillems]

Sometimes you just can't get first because the only thing in your head is getting first. Both the team and Lando have this approach I think. Lando with closing down Max so aggressively at the start in Austria to let Russell in and give him a double tow, and this week so desperate to get 2nd he gets 4th.

The team making silly all or nothing calls when they don't need to.

I think they are too focussed on putting Lando 1st. They need to relax and focus on what gets them to the end of the race quicker and get rid of some of the noise because they are making decisions with tunnel vision.

[CjC]

Piastri gained 10 seconds on Lando in that lash stint.
For me Lando should have won the race by 5+ seconds

But Lando had checked out after Max got past. What did he pull on Lewis or Max?

5 seconds on them.
I thought about it after and evaluated down to win the race by 2+ seconds
Make no bones about it, Medium was the right call.

[LionsHeart]

Andrea Stella: “The race was held in difficult conditions, which were constantly changing, and there were many decisions to be made. Many of them turned out to be correct, but there were also a couple of moments where we should have acted differently. But we understand that now. I think we have to admit that by leaving Oscar Piastri on track for another lap, we lost a lot of time. He should have changed to intermediates earlier, but we wanted to avoid the delay associated with a double pit stop. But now it is clear that we should have invited both drivers to the pits at the same time.

And the second wrong decision is related to the fact that Lando Norris’ car should have been put on mediums for the second pit stop, but at that moment we wanted to be at least as fast as Lewis Hamilton, and he switched to softs.

But now I think it would have been better to put the Mediums on, and then we would have been more competitive, even if Lewis had overtaken us after his pit stop. The car would have been more stable towards the end of the race on these tyres.

I repeat: we understand all this now, after the finish of the race, but it gives us an opportunity to learn a useful lesson so that the team can continue to develop and become better. It is still great that one McLaren driver got on the podium at Silverstone and the other took 4th place, because we scored a lot of points. This is important for both championships, and I would like to thank all the McLaren staff, because it was only thanks to them that this was possible.

Overall, the results of the day are mixed, with a bitter taste, because we could have won this race, but there were also many positives, and we will use this experience in preparation for the next races."

[Ben1980]

Piastri gained 10 seconds on Lando in that lash stint.
For me Lando should have won the race by 5+ seconds

But Lando had checked out after Max got past. What did he pull on Lewis or Max?

5 seconds on them.
I thought about it after and evaluated down to win the race by 2+ seconds
Make no bones about it, Medium was the right call.

Yep, think everyone knows that! And some knew it at the time.

But still not sure it would have guaranteed a win, but would have at least been better!

[LionsHeart]

That's it. What we understood during the race, the team itself understood only after the race. That's the problem.

[Ben1980]

I can guarantee though, that if we went mediums and didn't win. People would be fuming over not taking softs.

[venkyhere]

I think members here are going overboard with the criticism on tyre choice. Whether it was Lando's call or the team's call, they banked on the fact that McLaren surely would have better tyre life than Mercedes, whatever be the compound. So matching Hamiltons S, wasn't stupid. What it turned out to be, is something that's not an exact science, still. Tyre temps, how the driver brings them.in, track temp, driving style, all this is too complex. Even the teams with all their complex algorithms, are guesstimating.
I wouldn't blame the team for Lando's tyres for the final yre stint at all. It was a gamble. If Hamilton had chewed his tyres faster than Lando, we would all be here, hailing a brilliant win.


However, the absolute stupidity by the team, was to not double stack. That's bargain basement formula3 level knowledge. The lap time data was staring at them point blank. It reminded me of Ferrari in Monaco 2022. Absolutely no excuse.

This has been happening very consistently now, the team f&&&ing Piastri's race/quali over.

[FittingMechanics]

It's crazy really. Double stacking Oscar and putting mediums on both cars at the end and this is an easy 1-2.

Take a goddamn random person from the grandstand and let him make the strategy and this team walks away with a 1-2 today.

I agree that even after Max was given the call to box for the inters atleast one driver should have come in same lap, that’s where Max was allowed to come into the podium position. If you have to still win the constructor you still need some big double podium. Piastri saved the day by coming in 4th, that car in Piastri’s hand was fast and deserved a better position. Still this is the team experiencing winning opportunities which is new and they need to be impeccable in execution because that’s what Merc and RBR team is showing. A one car RBR can still win the WCC if Max keeps getting the wins, which will be quite embarrassing.

Max going to pit is hard to counter as he was about 10 seconds behind our guys. He will always have opportunity to be called in AFTER McLaren drivers pass the pit entry. This call I can understand. It's hard to judge exactly when you need to go in. Mercedes was in the same spot and Verstappen really nailed the timing.

To me the main issue ATM is that McLaren is picking its strategy to avoid losing, rather than trying to win. That's why on both windows they waited for everyone else to stop, and why Norris used Softs instead of Mediums on the last stint.
When they realize the car they have and race to win, rather than to not lose, I think they can maximize the results.

I completely agree. I think this is still the team that was happy to gain points for P4, P3 or settle for P2. I don't think they did it intentionally here but covering Hamilton is exactly that, defensive decision as if you both are wrong, you are still in the same spot. Verstappen was likely not a factor in their decision making as he was 7 seconds behind Hamilton but given that Lando lost a lot of time in that extra lap, he became a factor.

I am extremely puzzled by McLaren mentioning they have mediums available against other cars and then decide to put Norris on soft. That screamed to be a wrong decision. The same can be said about not pitting Piastri, on this huge long lap in Silverstone you decide to keep Piastri for one more lap while you can see on the timing screen that Verstappen is much faster. How that happens I can't really understand.

I am also very annoyed by how much the team (or at least Will Joseph) lays on Lando to decide in the heat of the moment. Maybe Lando wants it that way but it is definitely a mistake. The strategy team needs to be more assertive and then allow Lando to overrule if he thinks it is a mistake. Lando needs to learn to trust them more.

For the future, the team needs to make better and more assertive calls to the team. The way they go about business is leaving too much for drivers to decide and it leads to these type of mistakes.

[FittingMechanics]

I can guarantee though, that if we went mediums and didn't win. People would be fuming over not taking softs.

Maybe you would get some people complain but it would have been a completely logical choice. They went into this weekend by having two mediums and one hard. This choice is probably because they expected a possible race like this. They even mentioned it over the team radio. And then they go and put him on a soft for 15 laps.

These things can't really be compared. Not only they put him on softs but they did so a lap late so he lost his advantage. They were too reactive and defensive in their decision making.