2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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FW17 wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 10:46
Does the team get its suspension from Merc?
Yes. And the proof is that Mercedes is back at the front so, the wind tunnel is good and the suspension is good.
What I'm interested in is, do Aston Martin have their own set of algorithms and parameters for running it?
Does that affect correlation and what the updates do?

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FW17 wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 10:46
Does the team get its suspension from Merc?
Only the rear suspension, along with PU/Gearbox combination. The front is done in-house...

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K1Plus wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 13:46
FW17 wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 10:46
Does the team get its suspension from Merc?
Yes. And the proof is that Mercedes is back at the front so, the wind tunnel is good and the suspension is good.
What I'm interested in is, do Aston Martin have their own set of algorithms and parameters for running it?
Does that affect correlation and what the updates do?
My understand is a wind tunnel doesn't have algorithms and parameters but you do have to understand what you're seeing.

CFDs have the algorithms loaded into them from what you're seeing on the track and or wind tunnel.

So you design on CFD, verify in wind tunnel, go back to CFD if necessary, correct algorithms in CFD if a correction was need, go back to tunnel, if what you're seeing in the tunnel matches what they wanted in CFD, you manufacture and take it the track. If the data on track doesn't correlate, they need to figure out why they didn't see that behavior in the wind tunnel then correct the CFD models. Start over.

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In my opinion the updates work and correlate with the flows with the front wing of the flexible wing . The first part that meets the air is the fundamental one

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-wkst- wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 11:52
McCullough about the upgrades to some media:
"The proof of the pudding is always in the eating, we've found that with these regulations over the last few years,"

"It is a reasonable change in the philosophies of the car, but with all these things, it is relative, it is relatively small.

"The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid, it is going to be a matter of: 'is it going in the right direction to address the issues we have' and by how much, we will see.

"It will be a bigger step next weekend, and we will see.

"The main parts are very tight on production, so we're targeting them for Hungary, but there will also be some circuit-specific parts such as the low-drag rear-wing for Spa."
« The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid » what does he mean ?

Car is the 5th of the grid, where does the car goes if not in front ?

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K1Plus wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 13:46
FW17 wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 10:46
Does the team get its suspension from Merc?
Yes. And the proof is that Mercedes is back at the front so, the wind tunnel is good and the suspension is good.
What I'm interested in is, do Aston Martin have their own set of algorithms and parameters for running it?
Does that affect correlation and what the updates do?
Look at Mercedes front suspension new 3th part element. Since they use it they got faster.

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Nikosar wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:19
« The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid » what does he mean ?

Car is the 5th of the grid, where does the car goes if not in front ?
I think he means there's not going to be a massive leap forwards, but they want to see a positive trend.

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Well, they would need a full sec to be at the front of the grid in race pace. Would be great to close the gap at least to something around 6-7 tenths or so…

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-wkst- wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 20:32
Well, they would need a full sec to be at the front of the grid in race pace. Would be great to close the gap at least to something around 6-7 tenths or so…
Would be great if they brought an "upgrade" and didnt immediately lose 2 places on the grid.

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Nikosar wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:19
-wkst- wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 11:52
McCullough about the upgrades to some media:
"The proof of the pudding is always in the eating, we've found that with these regulations over the last few years,"

"It is a reasonable change in the philosophies of the car, but with all these things, it is relative, it is relatively small.

"The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid, it is going to be a matter of: 'is it going in the right direction to address the issues we have' and by how much, we will see.

"It will be a bigger step next weekend, and we will see.

"The main parts are very tight on production, so we're targeting them for Hungary, but there will also be some circuit-specific parts such as the low-drag rear-wing for Spa."
« The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid » what does he mean ?

Car is the 5th of the grid, where does the car goes if not in front ?
It's not going 5th to first with those upgrade alone.
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diffuser wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:04
Nikosar wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:19
-wkst- wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 11:52
McCullough about the upgrades to some media:

« The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid » what does he mean ?

Car is the 5th of the grid, where does the car goes if not in front ?
It's not going 5th to first with thos upgrade alone.
McLaren moved from the back of the pack to third in Austria 23

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Sherrinford wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:15
diffuser wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 23:04
Nikosar wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 19:19


« The car is not going to go from where we are now to the front of the grid » what does he mean ?

Car is the 5th of the grid, where does the car goes if not in front ?
It's not going 5th to first with those upgrade alone.
McLaren moved from the back of the pack to third in Austria 23
Right but not 1st.
He just means it's gonna take more upgrades.

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I agree with @peewon, that they work is the most important concern at this point. Anything else is a plus. Lets not get ahead of ourselves

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If they developed the 2023 care with that flex wing(if FiA not banned) we would have been more better than McLaren and may be fighting for WDC...
they lost a year of development in that direction which is huge loss for the team.
hope they will bounce back from that...... finger crossed.....

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
17 Jul 2024, 06:21
If they developed the 2023 care with that flex wing(if FiA not banned) we would have been more better than McLaren and may be fighting for WDC...
they lost a year of development in that direction which is huge loss for the team.
hope they will bounce back from that...... finger crossed.....
No ,those wings made to much downforce and drag. Those wings was good till other teams was struggle. If Aston could use their 2023 car in 2024 ,then in Monaco they couldn't even go in Q3 . The whole field just got +1 second faster. The only thing what make faster the cars in this area is use smaller front and rear wings as possible and find more downforce by the floor to compensate the loost by wings. This what Redbull understand very good since the ground effect area.