2024 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 19 - 21

[Hammerfist]

Hamilton decided he wasn't going to open the door. He wanted to cutback and attempt a switchback. Unfortunately they touched. But what's what you get with divebombs. If the other guy is not going to fully cooperate there will be a collision. Which is the reason why divebombs are frowned upon. It was mostly a misguided divebomb by Verstappen but Hamilton could have avoided the contact and let max drift off the track if he wanted to. Racing incident imo.

[pantherxxx]

I believe that Verstappen missed the braking point and braked late. Hamilton, on the other hand, said in the statement that he saw Verstappen braking late and pulled the car in anyway, so it certainly can't be said that he was trying to avoid contact.

Except Lewis didn't make the apex because he was avoiding a bigger contact.

Hamilton saw him coming, as clearly seen by his head movements and his own confirmation, yet steers in when there is a car next to him. All he should have done is let Verstappen slide by and then take the corner. He went for that rear wheel, couldn’t resist the opportunity

[bonjon1979]

Even with max charging through on a kamikaze mission, Hamilton made the corner, there was so much space on the inside. It’s bonkers not to see this anything other than a penalty for max. If they don’t then what do they do next divebomb into a corner? It’s what they allowed max to do in 2021, and he’s not stopped

Your missing the moving under breaking from Lewis though.

He turns towards the corner, but not even making the apex. So when he moves he isn’t even taking the tightest line around the corner, he’s missing the apex by miles to allow max room. If he turns in much later he is going straight on.

[bonjon1979]

I believe that Verstappen missed the braking point and braked late. Hamilton, on the other hand, said in the statement that he saw Verstappen braking late and pulled the car in anyway, so it certainly can't be said that he was trying to avoid contact.

Except Lewis didn't make the apex because he was avoiding a bigger contact.

Hamilton saw him coming, as clearly seen by his head movements and his own confirmation, yet steers in when there is a car next to him. All he should have done is let Verstappen slide by and then take the corner. He went for that rear wheel, couldn’t resist the opportunity

Hahaha. The absurdity of this discussion. I shan’t continue

[Hoffman900]

Except Lewis didn't make the apex because he was avoiding a bigger contact.

Hamilton saw him coming, as clearly seen by his head movements and his own confirmation, yet steers in when there is a car next to him. All he should have done is let Verstappen slide by and then take the corner. He went for that rear wheel, couldn’t resist the opportunity

Hahaha. The absurdity of this discussion. I shan’t continue

Not enough upvotes here for a comment like this

[Dunlay]

The aerial view of incident, clearly puts Max at fault.

[politburo]

Lap 64


Lap 65


(footage a bit jumpy for some reason.)

But look how much later Lewis is turning into turn 1 than when Max was going for the overtake.

You are blaming another driver for Verstappen braking too late and too hard so much so that he failed to turn even after turning the wheel. In slow corners, you don't turn and brake at the same time.

Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to admit when you're wrong, humility and weakness are two different things.

[SKYnRacing24]

The fact that Norris should of won the last 5 races and hasn't speaks alot to me tbh. He ain't ready for this. Alonso, Max and Lewis would of. Thats why he's being hard on himself and rightly so. Thats not championship pedigree.

100%

And the team is not championship material either. Any hope of winning the championship (which they had/have) and Piastri should NEVER finish ahead in a situation where the alternative does not favour Max.

Did anyone catch what Norris was saying to Lewis in the green room? Something about how he had the fastest car for 7 years and now it's their turn. Well Lando, you sure aren't doing a good enough job so far with the fastest car.

Yep that was a back handed compliment for sure. Lewis has had quick cars and dominant cars but in the years where others were close he still won multiple grand prix. Even in his Macca years he still capitalised when the car was there. Norris has fumbled race wins race after race after race. Thats simply not good enough, yes the grid is tight, yes he has a quick team mate but you don't know what the future holds in this sport.

[djones]

It’s fun to debate incidents.

But this Max one is about as clear cut as it gets. Any impartial person can see its 100% on Max and there should be a penalty for him.

Ridiculous the penalty was not given during the race though.

[politburo]

I believe that Verstappen missed the braking point and braked late. Hamilton, on the other hand, said in the statement that he saw Verstappen braking late and pulled the car in anyway, so it certainly can't be said that he was trying to avoid contact.

Except Lewis didn't make the apex because he was avoiding a bigger contact.

Hamilton saw him coming, as clearly seen by his head movements and his own confirmation, yet steers in when there is a car next to him. All he should have done is let Verstappen slide by and then take the corner. He went for that rear wheel, couldn’t resist the opportunity

Wow...

[214270]

The aerial view of incident, clearly puts Max at fault.

Quite frankly, you can see a change in direction once he locks up. VER clearly straightens - he’s out of control.

[TFSA]

Yep that was a back handed compliment for sure. Lewis has had quick cars and dominant cars but in the years where others were close he still won multiple grand prix. Even in his Macca years he still capitalised when the car was there. Norris has fumbled race wins race after race after race. Thats simply not good enough, yes the grid is tight, yes he has a quick team mate but you don't know what the future holds in this sport.

To be fair to Norris, he never really had an upper-midfield-to-race-winning car until midway through 2023, and in 2023, Red Bull was still dominant at the front. Lewis in his McLaren years still had a good car, and the front of the field was pretty competitive. McLaren pretty much went directly from lower midfield to top drawer.

[chrisc90]

You are blaming another driver for Verstappen braking too late and too hard so much so that he failed to turn even after turning the wheel. In slow corners, you don't turn and brake at the same time.

Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to admit when you're wrong, humility and weakness are two different things.

Telemetry off F1-tempo shows that Max carried the same speed and was on the brakes at roughly the same point each lap before the lap of the incident.

[TFSA]

The aerial view of incident, clearly puts Max at fault.

Quite frankly, you can see a change in direction once he locks up. VER clearly straightens - he’s out of control.

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

[Hoffman900]

You are blaming another driver for Verstappen braking too late and too hard so much so that he failed to turn even after turning the wheel. In slow corners, you don't turn and brake at the same time.

Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to admit when you're wrong, humility and weakness are two different things.

Telemetry off F1-tempo shows that Max carried the same speed and was on the brakes at roughly the same point each lap before the lap of the incident.

That’s more damning as he is not on the racing line there and thus his radius to the apex is tighter.

If anything tells you he’s not making the corner it’s that and this is why data analysis without context is misleading.