2024 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 19 - 21

[j_ste]

I believe that Verstappen missed the braking point and braked late. Hamilton, on the other hand, said in the statement that he saw Verstappen braking late and pulled the car in anyway, so it certainly can't be said that he was trying to avoid contact.

Except Lewis didn't make the apex because he was avoiding a bigger contact.

Hamilton saw him coming, as clearly seen by his head movements and his own confirmation, yet steers in when there is a car next to him. All he should have done is let Verstappen slide by and then take the corner. He went for that rear wheel, couldn’t resist the opportunity

Respect the trolling

[Dunlay]

The aerial view of incident, clearly puts Max at fault.

Quite frankly, you can see a change in direction once he locks up. VER clearly straightens - he’s out of control.

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner. Rules clearly dictate that, it's the driver doing the overtake who has the onus of keeping it clean. If Max wouldn't have locked up and then Lewis touches his car, that would then be a problem on Lewis' part.

[chrisc90]

Quite frankly, you can see a change in direction once he locks up. VER clearly straightens - he’s out of control.

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

You dont start to turn into a corner at ~75metres out really through do you? I shown where Lewis began to turn into the corner in the videos above. Its about 50m further down the track. It was 100% moving under braking from Lewis.

[dialtone]

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

Multiple things can be true at the same time.

It was a dive bomb, yes because Max was never turning at the apex, might have even not been able to stay within the track, like he didn't on outside of turn 3 earlier.

Lewis is turning in too early, yes because he simply is, should Max rely on other drivers taking evasive action against his bombs? Max kinda put himself in that position, he should know Lewis isn't going to ever give him space.

Lewis is also moving under braking and he's not allowed to do that, he chose the outside of the corner and within 30m he's sitting in the middle of the track.

I will say the precedent with SAI and PIA in Miami is that SAI having a slightly drift and just touching PIA, with no damage or time loss, from the inside gave SAI a penalty.

Lewis washed is one of the worst takes I've heard this year, he's the best.

[Dunlay]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

You dont start to turn into a corner at ~75metres out really through do you? I shown where Lewis began to turn into the corner in the videos above. Its about 50m further down the track. It was 100% moving under braking from Lewis.

It's a corner and the car ahead was entitled to turn, from wherever he can. He had no obligation to give space to a torpedo. I am telling you, at some point, Max would be in Lewis position in future. So argue that with that expectation.

[littlebigcat]

You are blaming another driver for Verstappen braking too late and too hard so much so that he failed to turn even after turning the wheel. In slow corners, you don't turn and brake at the same time.

Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to admit when you're wrong, humility and weakness are two different things.

Telemetry off F1-tempo shows that Max carried the same speed and was on the brakes at roughly the same point each lap before the lap of the incident.

I know you’re a massive Verstappen fan, but the fact you can’t see what’s wrong with that is hilarious.

[Hoffman900]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

You dont start to turn into a corner at ~75metres out really through do you? I shown where Lewis began to turn into the corner in the videos above. Its about 50m further down the track. It was 100% moving under braking from Lewis.

Do you even have a driver’s license?

They’re traveling near 85m/s into the braking zone. You don’t drive straight and then turn 90* into a corner with your infinite tire grip

[TFSA]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

Not how that works. If he wanted to take the inside, he should have done so earlier. You have to pick a line.

Lewis did here exactly what Verstappen did to Lando on Lap 55 in Austria: He cut across the track from the outside while braking, forcing the other driver to take evasive action. That's plain and simply not allowed. Hamilton had picked a line and didn't stick to it. That definitely puts part of the blame on him.

He's only "lucky" that Verstappen did something even more egregious. But "it's a bloody corner" isn't an excuse. You have to stick to the line you pick. Hamilton didn't - plain and simple.

[NoDivergence]

You are blaming another driver for Verstappen braking too late and too hard so much so that he failed to turn even after turning the wheel. In slow corners, you don't turn and brake at the same time.

Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to admit when you're wrong, humility and weakness are two different things.

Telemetry off F1-tempo shows that Max carried the same speed and was on the brakes at roughly the same point each lap before the lap of the incident.

I know you’re a massive Verstappen fan, but the fact you can’t see what’s wrong with that is hilarious.

It's seriously the funniest thing I've read all thread. Same speed and braking point, while being completely on the right side of the track

[NoDivergence]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

Not how that works. If he wanted to take the inside, he should have done so earlier. You have to pick a line.

Lewis did here exactly what Verstappen did to Lando on Lap 55 in Austria: He cut across the track from the outside while braking, forcing the other driver to take evasive action. That's plain and simply not allowed. Hamilton had picked a line and didn't stick to it. That definitely puts part of the blame on him.

He's only "lucky" that Verstappen did something even more egregious. But "it's a bloody corner" isn't an excuse. You have to stick to the line you pick. Hamilton didn't - plain and simple.

That's because it's not a line. It's a goddamn curve

[Dunlay]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

Not how that works. If he wanted to take the inside, he should have done so earlier. You have to pick a line.

Lewis did here exactly what Verstappen did to Lando on Lap 55 in Austria: He cut across the track from the outside while braking, forcing the other driver to take evasive action. That's plain and simply not allowed. Hamilton had picked a line and didn't stick to it. That definitely puts part of the blame on him.

He's only "lucky" that Verstappen did something even more egregious. But "it's a bloody corner" isn't an excuse. You have to stick to the line you pick. Hamilton didn't - plain and simple.

Did Lando sent a dive bomb in Austria? Didn't he manage to take the car out safely when Max moved under braking? If Max would have been in control of the car, he would have saved it.

[FittingMechanics]

Despite many claiming Hamilton was "driving the normal racing line" - no he wasn't. Nor was his deviation from the racing line "small". He drives from the outside of the track to very almost the inside of the track. He brakes in a straight line then brakes towards the inside of the corner after he sees Max coming

Where the f**k was Max going? Was clearly not the corner. You’re out of your league and arguing with this is insanity.

As long as he's alongside on the inside at the apex it's allowed by the FIA rules

Max was penalized at Austria for moving on the brakes despite Norris divebombing from way back. Don't see a huge degree of difference except Norris was on the outside (commanding less right to space)

Lewis steering to the right on the brakes means that Max applies steering lock, which reduces the grip available for braking hence he wasn't able to slow down as much and the lockup

Max was not penalized for moving under braking. That is a clear lie.

He was penalized for causing a collision.

[Hoffman900]

Lewis still moved under braking, and Verstappen did take evasive action (before the lockup). That much is evident. That still puts at least part of the blame on Lewis, whether you like it or not.

Is it enough for Verstappen to escape penalty? Unknown. We'll have to wait for the stewards to decide. Verstappen still has to take a bigger portion of the blame here - but certainly not all of it.

It's a bloody corner and the car needs to turn! That's not called moving under braking. It's making the turn to the corner for which a driver ahead is entitled to. Max just didn't have any control having carried so much speed. A Classic dive bomb and crashing into a driver who was making the corner in a controlled manner.

Not how that works. If he wanted to take the inside, he should have done so earlier. You have to pick a line.

Lewis did here exactly what Verstappen did to Lando on Lap 55 in Austria: He cut across the track from the outside while braking, forcing the other driver to take evasive action. That's plain and simply not allowed. Hamilton had picked a line and didn't stick to it. That definitely puts part of the blame on him.

He's only "lucky" that Verstappen did something even more egregious. But "it's a bloody corner" isn't an excuse. You have to stick to the line you pick. Hamilton didn't - plain and simple.

If Lewis drove the same line Max was taking then he drives straight off a right hand corner, which is a line, but isn’t the racing line.

I’m convinced half of you guys don’t even have driver’s licenses let alone had a geometry class

[Macklaren]

The fact that Norris should of won the last 5 races and hasn't speaks alot to me tbh. He ain't ready for this. Alonso, Max and Lewis would of. Thats why he's being hard on himself and rightly so. Thats not championship pedigree.

100%

And the team is not championship material either. Any hope of winning the championship (which they had/have) and Piastri should NEVER finish ahead in a situation where the alternative does not favour Max.

I don't think this is wrong but I also think it's absurd to write NOR or the team off FOREVER as not being championship material. They are literally getting new experience of tricky situations every race. Does this mean they may fall short of the championship this year? Perhaps. But will stand them in great stead for 2025 and beyond

[TFSA]

That's because it's not a line. It's a goddamn curve

That's irrelevant. You still can't do it. You have to respect other cars on the track (and that goes both ways, Max didn't respect Lewis there either).

Lewis had picked the outside line. With Max coming on the inside, Lewis should have done a switchback instead, letting Max go deep. You can't just move into the inside line with a car coming there, especially not when moving under braking. Lewis had picked his line, and he didn't stick to it. He had every opportunity to take that corner in a different way.

Did Lando sent a dive bomb in Austria? Didn't he manage to take the car out safely when Max moved under braking? If Max would have been in control of the car, he would have saved it

No, but that's not relevant. You're not allowed to do what both Hamilton (and Max, in Austria) did whether the other driver divebombs or not.

In this case, Max can actually argue that the fact that he had to take evasive action was what caused the lockup. I'm not saying i agree - i think he would have locked up anyway - but you can't ignore that Hamilton did it.