2024 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 19 - 21

[chrisc90]

Both Hamilton and Verstappen are being investigated by the race stewards. . Lets see how they handle this, Something needs to be done or else the next races will be Nascar style.

Only Max is being investigated. Hamilton is summoned to give his version of event, but the summon is for Max allegedly breaking the sporting code - so Hamilton is not under threat of losing his podium here.

Both are

[AR3-GP]

Lap 62:

[TFSA]

Both are

Both documents say it's Verstappen being investigated.

Alleged breach of Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 d) of the International Sporting
Code by Car 1 - Turn 1 incident between Cars 1 and 44 at 16:30.

None of the documents say "by Car 44".

[Marc.W]

Lap 62:

https://i.postimg.cc/y6y4mcD1/lap-62.gif

Max finally being raced how he has raced everyone else is poetic

[chrisc90]

[Mattchu]

What happened to "let them race"?

Just call it a racing incident and move on! It really is getting pathetic...

[morefirejules08]

By your own admission max pulled the same move in Austria and it went unpunished, that means the stewards have now set a precedent. Ironically it’s come back to bite max in the ass today.

Incorrect. The FIA said after Austria that Verstappen should have been sanctioned in Austria (not necessarily a penalty, but a black and white flag also counts as a sanction). As such, Austria does not count as a precedent, because the FIA has specified that the rules were applied incorrectly.

This does not change what happened in Austria (they don't give out sanctions retroactively). But it does discount its use as a precedent.

But max wasn’t sanctioned so the FIA have absolutely set a precedent, Hamilton can quite rightly point this out in the stewards room today and have a valid point.
Perhaps the stewards should be applying rules in the proper manner and then there would be no argument.

[SKYnRacing24]

The fact that every racing driver, Max’s own boss, can’t even defend him, but some forum posters can… it’s borderline cultish or people are just doing it for the spamming.

Lewis himself called it a racing incident. Maybe he knows something you don't.

and yet most max fans are blaming 100% for the contact and you wonder why Max takes no accountability out here, ironically like his fans

[AR3-GP]

The stewards say that Hamilton followed his normal racing line by reviewing previous laps. but the previous laps refute this

viewtopic.php?p=1233596#p1233596

Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.

Lap 22:
https://i.postimg.cc/BndxQ8cD/lap22.gif

lap 64:
https://i.postimg.cc/BbVjYymD/lap64.gif

lap 66:
https://i.postimg.cc/kM1Rg674/lap66.gif

lap 67:
https://i.postimg.cc/rFD00Vp9/lap67.gif

On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.

https://i.postimg.cc/rwWDjfx0/lap-63.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/pXMrTDgP/lap-63-rear.gif

[TFSA]

But max wasn’t sanctioned so the FIA have absolutely set a precedent, Hamilton can quite rightly point this out in the stewards room today and have a valid point.
Perhaps the stewards should be applying rules in the proper manner and then there would be no argument.

Not how that works. Sometimes incorrect decisions are made, but the FIA absolutely has the ability to make a public statement about how the rules are to be interpreted.

If they say a rule was interpreted incorrectly, or that the stewards did something incorrectly (or missed something), then that statement will be the precedent.

The fact that every racing driver, Max’s own boss, can’t even defend him, but some forum posters can… it’s borderline cultish or people are just doing it for the spamming.

Lewis himself called it a racing incident. Maybe he knows something you don't.

and yet most max fans are blaming 100% for the contact and you wonder why Max takes no accountability out here, ironically like his fans

Biased fanbases are biased. There's nothing new there - but to insinuate that that has anything to do with how Verstappen acts is plain and simply stupid. Verstappen is how he is - with or without his fans.

Lewis fanbase also raged on Alonso for Spa 22, despite the fact that it was clearly Lewis fault. Stop giving attention to rabid fanbases, and particularly, stop assuming that it affects drivers. Drivers know they have insane followers - and they also know that they are best ignored.

[morefirejules08]

The stewards say that Hamilton followed his normal racing line by reviewing previous laps. but the previous laps refute this

viewtopic.php?p=1233596#p1233596

Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.

Lap 22:
https://i.postimg.cc/BndxQ8cD/lap22.gif

lap 64:
https://i.postimg.cc/BbVjYymD/lap64.gif

lap 66:
https://i.postimg.cc/kM1Rg674/lap66.gif

lap 67:
https://i.postimg.cc/rFD00Vp9/lap67.gif

On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.

https://i.postimg.cc/rwWDjfx0/lap-63.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/pXMrTDgP/lap-63-rear.gif

They also say it was basically Max’s fault but because Lewis didn’t do more to avoid it then there’s no punishment. Weird decision in all honesty

[chrisc90]

The stewards say that Hamilton followed his normal racing line by reviewing previous laps. but the previous laps refute this

viewtopic.php?p=1233596#p1233596

Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.

Exactly what Ive just said in the discord channel. Proven beyond doubt that it was nowhere near the normal line that Lewis was taking.

I mean the outcome is probably right, but the reasoning is way off and the statement of facts.

More inconsistent stewarding. I wonder what falls under the "typical case of changing direction when braking"

[Luscion]

The stewards say that Hamilton followed his normal racing line by reviewing previous laps. but the previous laps refute this

viewtopic.php?p=1233596#p1233596

Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.

Lap 22:
https://i.postimg.cc/BndxQ8cD/lap22.gif

lap 64:
https://i.postimg.cc/BbVjYymD/lap64.gif

lap 66:
https://i.postimg.cc/kM1Rg674/lap66.gif

lap 67:
https://i.postimg.cc/rFD00Vp9/lap67.gif

On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.

https://i.postimg.cc/rwWDjfx0/lap-63.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/pXMrTDgP/lap-63-rear.gif

They also say it was basically Max’s fault but because Lewis didn’t do more to avoid it then there’s no punishment. Weird decision in all honesty

Both Lewis and Horner wanted it to be a racing incident, they got what they wanted. Both sides most likely argued in favour of no punishment for max to the stewards

[morefirejules08]

The stewards say that Hamilton followed his normal racing line by reviewing previous laps. but the previous laps refute this

viewtopic.php?p=1233596#p1233596

They also say it was basically Max’s fault but because Lewis didn’t do more to avoid it then there’s no punishment. Weird decision in all honesty

Both Lewis and Horner wanted it to be a racing incident, they got what they wanted. Both sides most likely argued in favour of no punishment for max to the stewards

You are most likely correct, if Hamilton hadn’t expressed his belief it was a racing incident I suspect max would have been given a penalty

[chrisc90]

They also say it was basically Max’s fault but because Lewis didn’t do more to avoid it then there’s no punishment. Weird decision in all honesty

Both Lewis and Horner wanted it to be a racing incident, they got what they wanted. Both sides most likely argued in favour of no punishment for max to the stewards

You are most likely correct, if Hamilton hadn’t expressed his belief it was a racing incident I suspect max would have been given a penalty

Well it would be silly for him to argue against his podium spot really wouldnt it.