Because Hamilton was getting a penalty for locking up and driving into another car, oh wait that was max.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:27Well it would be silly for him to argue against his podium spot really wouldnt it.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:26You are most likely correct, if Hamilton hadn’t expressed his belief it was a racing incident I suspect max would have been given a penalty
of course not he would be arguing for a penalty 100%, but he gains nothing from Max getting a penalty. Even if Max got a penalty George finished too far behind to benefit from itFittingMechanics wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:42Hamilton got no damage and finished in P3. I doubt he'd say it was racing incident if his tyre rim blew and Verstappen went on to finish P3.
What is Hamilton going to say other than a racing incident? I moved across under braking to cover Max off (which he did BTW) As that would be an admission of guilt.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:43Because Hamilton was getting a penalty for locking up and driving into another car, oh wait that was max.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:27Well it would be silly for him to argue against his podium spot really wouldnt it.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:26
You are most likely correct, if Hamilton hadn’t expressed his belief it was a racing incident I suspect max would have been given a penalty
Which is basically the same as Max did to Lewis on lap 1. So...
But Hamilton wasn't under investigation. Max was. Hamilton actually helped Max out by saying racing incident. If he'd gone in with tears streaming from his eyes crying foul then Max might well have been penalised. But Hamilton didn't. He simply played a neutral hand that didn't incriminate Max at all.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:46What is Hamilton going to say other than a racing incident? I moved across under braking to cover Max off (which he did BTW) As that would be an admission of guilt.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:43Because Hamilton was getting a penalty for locking up and driving into another car, oh wait that was max.
I mean the fact that only 1 driver being investigated (but called to give their account) means they cant be given a penalty?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:50But Hamilton wasn't under investigation. Max was. Hamilton actually helped Max out by saying racing incident. If he'd gone in with tears streaming from his eyes crying foul then Max might well have been penalised. But Hamilton didn't. He simply played a neutral hand that didn't incriminate Max at all.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:46What is Hamilton going to say other than a racing incident? I moved across under braking to cover Max off (which he did BTW) As that would be an admission of guilt.morefirejules08 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:43
Because Hamilton was getting a penalty for locking up and driving into another car, oh wait that was max.
So Max is complaining at and about his team (who work their arses off for him) and about a competitor who did a version of the Moss Defence and helped him out. The real man shows himself.
"Let them race" applies only to Max - it was a Horner sound bite after all. Anyone else is allowed to race Max. He gets all sweary on the radio when they do.
Yes driver 1 [Max] was being investigated. Driver 44 [Lewis] was called as a witness.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:51I mean the fact that only 1 driver being investigated (but called to give their account) means they cant be given a penalty?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:50But Hamilton wasn't under investigation. Max was. Hamilton actually helped Max out by saying racing incident. If he'd gone in with tears streaming from his eyes crying foul then Max might well have been penalised. But Hamilton didn't. He simply played a neutral hand that didn't incriminate Max at all.
So Max is complaining at and about his team (who work their arses off for him) and about a competitor who did a version of the Moss Defence and helped him out. The real man shows himself.
And the lapped car didn't change anyone's line toward the corner?AR3-GP wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 18:56Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.
Lap 22:
https://i.postimg.cc/BndxQ8cD/lap22.gif
lap 64:
https://i.postimg.cc/BbVjYymD/lap64.gif
lap 66:
https://i.postimg.cc/kM1Rg674/lap66.gif
lap 67:
https://i.postimg.cc/rFD00Vp9/lap67.gif
On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.
https://i.postimg.cc/rwWDjfx0/lap-63.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/pXMrTDgP/lap-63-rear.gif
It's technically not impossible that the Stewards could do a 180 and blame the other driver (Hamilton), even though Max was the one noted in the incident for being under investigation. All that the summons-document do, is indicate that they initially believed that Verstappen was the driver who may be liable for a penalty. That doesn't preclude them from changing their mind, however unlikely that is.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:50But Hamilton wasn't under investigation. Max was. Hamilton actually helped Max out by saying racing incident. If he'd gone in with tears streaming from his eyes crying foul then Max might well have been penalised. But Hamilton didn't. He simply played a neutral hand that didn't incriminate Max at all.
No, because Lewis was back on the racing line after the overtake on the lapped car.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:55And the lapped car didn't change anyone's line toward the corner?AR3-GP wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 18:56Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.
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On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.
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He swept by the lapped car and then immediately started for the corner. There wasn't a run parallel with the track edge as there would normally be. It was a dynamic situation so the line was not the same as the usual "driving alone" laps.chrisc90 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:57No, because Lewis was back on the racing line after the overtake on the lapped car.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 19:55And the lapped car didn't change anyone's line toward the corner?AR3-GP wrote: ↑21 Jul 2024, 18:56Hamilton moved under braking. His normal turn in point for T1 was after the 50 meter board. This can be seen on many laps before and after the incident. You can make out the 50 meter board on the grass to the left if you are quick.
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On lap 63 he starts turning in where the curb striping starts (80 meters) in reaction to Verstappen, and in the brake zone. It isn't trail braking. It's moving under braking. Verstappen locked up because he had to tighten his line. Many seem to have forgotten Austria.
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