Flexiwings 2024

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FlYiNgIcEmAn wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:54
morefirejules08 wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 09:40
So it looks like the teams selected are McLaren, Mercedes, Aston Martin and Sauber. Of course Redbull aren’t on of the selected teams.
Its Red Bull, Mclaren, Ferrari, Aston Martin and Nico Hulkenberg based on Thomas Maher on X
Merc also have the reference points on their wing, As do Sauber

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organic wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:56

Merc also have the reference points on their wing, As do Sauber
I think all teams have those points.

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Rikhart wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:01
Just look at the merc front wing, I think it even flexes more than the mclaren one, in Spa.
The Slow Motion video at the Chicane bumps (turns 19-20), every car filmed was visibly flexing.
There is nothing that will ever be done about that unless you have concrete front wings.
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Quantum wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 15:09
Rikhart wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:01
Just look at the merc front wing, I think it even flexes more than the mclaren one, in Spa.
The Slow Motion video at the Chicane bumps (turns 19-20), every car filmed was visibly flexing.
There is nothing that will ever be done about that unless you have concrete front wings.
The new deflection tests measure deflection of the flaps relative to the endplates, not the vibrations you see when these cars mount kerbs.

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Vaexa wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 15:33
Quantum wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 15:09
Rikhart wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:01
Just look at the merc front wing, I think it even flexes more than the mclaren one, in Spa.
The Slow Motion video at the Chicane bumps (turns 19-20), every car filmed was visibly flexing.
There is nothing that will ever be done about that unless you have concrete front wings.
The new deflection tests measure deflection of the flaps relative to the endplates, not the vibrations you see when these cars mount kerbs.
It's also looking at the deformation of the endplates themselves :wink:

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Quantum wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 15:09
Rikhart wrote:
26 Jul 2024, 14:01
Just look at the merc front wing, I think it even flexes more than the mclaren one, in Spa.
The Slow Motion video at the Chicane bumps (turns 19-20), every car filmed was visibly flexing.
There is nothing that will ever be done about that unless you have concrete front wings.
I'm talking about flexing when in a straight, and then comparing that to when they reach the braking point.

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Anything on this yet?

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Presenting without comment.

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 00:07
Presenting without comment.
well there isnt anything anyone can say... we all have eyes except FIA lol.

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That amount on the Merc doesn't look like it would be beneficial - almost too much wobble!! (I'm sure I'm wrong though lol)
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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PapayaFan481 wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 01:05
That amount on the Merc doesn't look like it would be beneficial - almost too much wobble!! (I'm sure I'm wrong though lol)
It helps the drivers to be cool in extreme hot races. The wobling produces air to the cockpit. All is fine, lets move on.

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bluechris wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 01:08
PapayaFan481 wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 01:05
That amount on the Merc doesn't look like it would be beneficial - almost too much wobble!! (I'm sure I'm wrong though lol)
It helps the drivers to be cool in extreme hot races. The wobling produces air to the cockpit. All is fine, lets move on.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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To be honest I don't get the fuss. If they pass the tests but manage to have flex when loaded up at speed, well played to the team(s). Everyone has a budget cap and resource allowance. If they manage to do this within that, then is it any different than other aero developments? I say no.

So I agree, nothing to see, move along.
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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Thank you! Is there a similar shot for McL and Red Bull?

If that Merc wing is not flexing, the earth isn't rotating, according to the FIA :lol: :lol:

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f1isgood wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 02:08
Thank you! Is there a similar shot for McL and Red Bull?

If that Merc wing is not flexing, the earth isn't rotating, according to the FIA :lol: :lol:
I think there is a Red Bull replay, but I don't remember the session. While I was skimming the replay, I found one for Aston. Aston is somewhere in the middle. Not as rigid as Ferrari, but not as flexible as Mercedes either. The "mechanism" is similar to the Mercedes though. Flap adjuster is outside and the free inboard edge enables the motion of the outer section of the flap.

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Red Bull has the flap adjuster mechanism on the inboard side so this kind of degree of freedom is not even possible. The two sections of the flap on the onboard side are rigid and bridged by the adjustment mechanism, otherwise you could not set the flap position.

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