2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Another thing to terrorise Lando about.

He was supposed to be in George's race position into the first stops and should have had the option George had.

Dropping behind at T1 was a bigger mistake than it seemed.
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venkyhere wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:34

DRS overtake was difficult, because the pace delta across the top four teams isn't much. Plus, the shortening of the Kemmel straight DRS, killed atleast 10-15 overtakes that would have easily happened, had they kept the zone same as it has always been until last year. Is FoM/FiA trying to reduce overtaking, to make the races more 'entertaining' ?
I doubt no team would have not known or not acknowledged the fact the shorter DRS would have this effect.
The renewed tarmac was a bit harder, but still they'd have models for that. Especially after FP1/FP2 data.
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:25
Spa is now monaco without the tyre deg
Defending should be possible. =D>

DRS drive-bys are dreadful IMO.

We saw how making defending possible made for a much more tense and exciting race (e.g., Norris stuck, Verstappen stuck, Hamilton unable to get passed) than if cars with DRS could just breeze past others.

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venkyhere wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:34
I still think RB20 (Max) & MCL38 (both drivers) were the fastest cars.
But they spent almost the entire race in dirty air, driving to the pace of the car in front. Both teams simply chose the vanilla option for their stops, where in-lap and out-lap were all in dirty air. I think Norris' 2nd stop was the only one where he was able to run in clean air on fresh tyres. Max's race was killed (he was on for an easy P3) as he couldn't take advantage of sector2 where all his pace was lying unexplored. His race was further killed by RedBull team allowing Perez to pull Russel in a DRS train for some 10-15 laps, making it impossible for Max to DRS overtake Russel (I think this is where Russel gained his tyre life as he didn't need to late brake into T1/T5 to defend against Max) as the pace delta wasn't much. Norris' race was killed by his own team by being pussies (pardon my french) when it came to pit-stops - they should trust their car's and driver's ability to preserve tyres, and could have easily extended his stints that would have allowed more clean air running.

DRS overtake was difficult, because the pace delta across the top four teams isn't much. Plus, the shortening of the Kemmel straight DRS, killed atleast 10-15 overtakes that would have easily happened, had they kept the zone same as it has always been until last year. Is FoM/FiA trying to reduce overtaking, to make the races more 'entertaining' ?

Though Russel and Hamilton maximized with their driving, Mercedes "lucked into" a 1-2 because McLaren and RedBull made too-conservative calls about their pit stops and also because Russel's intelligence to scope out a single stop. McLaren, i would say, gifted the 1-2 to Mercedes.
Piastri couldn't even gain on Hamilton on several laps younger tyres until the later properly arrived into Russell's dirty air... His middle hard stint was also marginally worse, and HAM didn't have to push to cover other's coming in and out of the pit...

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Zynerji wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 16:31
So.

Folks here have for years slated Vettel for his 2014 results against Ricciardo.

When do we hear these same remarks about 2024 with Russell doing the same to Hamilton? 🤔
Ricciardo comprehensively beat Vettel and Seb bailed on the rematch after a single season. Hamilton came back for the rematch, beat Russell in 2023 and is still ahead in 2024.

Russell drove well today but really he won out because everyone was covering each others strategy, turns out the 1 stop was significantly better because the hard tyres had practically zero deg. Piastri showed that when he started pumping in fastest laps at the end of his 2nd stint.

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Uh oh, Russell might be in trouble

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And I just said on the discord I wonder if anyone is going to be pulled up for plank wear etc

Edit: this sounds absolutely slam.dunk here....

If 0.05mm of DRS flap deflection can disqualify you from an entire quali, 1.5kg sounds like a DQ.....
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Luscion wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:54
Uh oh, Russell might be in trouble

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTlfnOLW8AA ... =4096x4096
What the... What kind of blunder would that be from Mercedes?

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Slam dunk DSQ

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:55
And I just said on the discord I wonder if anyone is going to be pulled up for plank wear etc
A 1,5kg discrepancy is way too lare for excessive plank wear.
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Wow!

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Luscion wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:54
Uh oh, Russell might be in trouble

https://i.imgur.com/IXg5gUz.jpeg
Hamilton was told to lift and coast early in the race because they under fueled the car. I'm presuming for better tyre wear. How does Mercedes make the mistake of forgetting to tell Russell to lift and coast

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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Oh dear. Oh dear.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Spacepace wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:58
Luscion wrote:
28 Jul 2024, 17:54
Uh oh, Russell might be in trouble

https://i.imgur.com/IXg5gUz.jpeg
Hamilton was told to lift and coast early in the race because they under fueled the car. I'm presuming for better tyre wear. How does Mercedes make the mistake of forgetting to tell Russell to lift and coast
It's not about too little fuel remaining in the car, which makes this case extremely curious...

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Re: 2024 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 26 - 28

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This is usually a slam dunk DQ but given that he won the race they haven't got the balls to enforce it so expect a fine or some sort.