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[djones]

The communication in terms of not updating Hamilton on his teammate did seem very poor. He could have closed up sooner had he known the full plan.

To me, the acceleration was a little suspicious between the two in the final 4 or so laps. It was like George was allowed to run a higher power mode or something.

[214270]

I’m still confused why there was so much fuel remaining in his tank? 0.8kg approx is the 1litre that needs to be returned to stewards, so why is he carrying so much more? Is 2.8ltrs a normal amount? At time of weighing, had the fuel sample been taken (ie) was he in fact over by more at race end?

Edit: Confusing litres & kg, my bad

[Venturiation]

So, five cars one stopped. All medium/hard. Tsunoda, K-MAG, Stroll and Alonso were legal on weight at the end of the race

63 it's not the tyres it's something else

[zibby43]

Car was likely fueled assuming a SC.

Or a mistake with ballast. Those are my guesses.

[matt_b]

The communication in terms of not updating Hamilton on his teammate did seem very poor. He could have closed up sooner had he known the full plan.

To me, the acceleration was a little suspicious between the two in the final 4 or so laps. It was like George was allowed to run a higher power mode or something.

Lewis engine has done Canada, Spain, Austria, UK, Hungary and now Belgium.

Georges has only done 33 laps of UK, Hungary and now Belgium.

George was probably allowed to run a higher mode given huge mileage difference between the two.

[AR3-GP]

Hamilton was down 4km/h in qualifying. Was it not established that he had a higher downforce beam wing? Beam wing doesn't come down when the DRS opens.

[PapayaFan481]

"The car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."

Now that can be read in 2 different ways. The first is the way many seem to be, which is to read it as Mercedes not draining the according the a declared draining procedure, ie that they were trying to cheat and cover up that the car was underweight. The other is that the team declared in their draining procedure that they had not fully drained the car, ie they informed the FIA that there was still fuel in the car and were not trying to hide anything.

[Mattchu]

Car was likely fueled assuming a SC.

Or a mistake with ballast. Those are my guesses.

I don`t think it was anything to do with fuel as the car must reach 798kg with no fuel at all. The ballast theory is more likely although the tyre theory with regards to maximum wear and no chance of pick up to add weight could cover it.

The tyres must weigh at least 8/9kg...

Just a cock-up by Merc with they have taken on the chin!

[FittingMechanics]

"The car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."

Now that can be read in 2 different ways. The first is the way many seem to be, which is to read it as Mercedes not draining the according the a declared draining procedure, ie that they were trying to cheat and cover up that the car was underweight. The other is that the team declared in their draining procedure that they had not fully drained the car, ie they informed the FIA that there was still fuel in the car and were not trying to hide anything.

I think it is obviously first interpretation.

Why would Mercedes not drain it fully (according to the procedure).

[PapayaFan481]

"The car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."

Now that can be read in 2 different ways. The first is the way many seem to be, which is to read it as Mercedes not draining the according the a declared draining procedure, ie that they were trying to cheat and cover up that the car was underweight. The other is that the team declared in their draining procedure that they had not fully drained the car, ie they informed the FIA that there was still fuel in the car and were not trying to hide anything.

I think it is obviously first interpretation.

Why would Mercedes not drain it fully (according to the procedure).

Why would they not? Fuel still in the car would be easy to spot. It's not like they have a hidden tank unlike in their BAR days.

[PapayaFan481]

Car was likely fueled assuming a SC.

Or a mistake with ballast. Those are my guesses.

I don`t think it was anything to do with fuel as the car must reach 798kg with no fuel at all. The ballast theory is more likely although the tyre theory with regards to maximum wear and no chance of pick up to add weight could cover it.

The tyres must weigh at least 8/9kg...

Just a cock-up by Merc with they have taken on the chin!

I think it was tyres. If they can pick up as much as 400g per tyre in loose rubber on a cool down lap, then surely it stands to reason that switching to a 1 stop could mean they lose a similar amount more rubber over the extra 15-20 laps?

[Mattchu]

The people claiming Merc tried to pull a fast one with the fuel are living in cloud cuckoo land!

[FittingMechanics]

"The car was not fully drained according to the draining procedure submitted by the team in their legality documents as TR Article 6.5.2 is fulfilled."

Now that can be read in 2 different ways. The first is the way many seem to be, which is to read it as Mercedes not draining the according the a declared draining procedure, ie that they were trying to cheat and cover up that the car was underweight. The other is that the team declared in their draining procedure that they had not fully drained the car, ie they informed the FIA that there was still fuel in the car and were not trying to hide anything.

I think it is obviously first interpretation.

Why would Mercedes not drain it fully (according to the procedure).

Why would they not? Fuel still in the car would be easy to spot. It's not like they have a hidden tank unlike in their BAR days.

It is a flexible fuel tank.

I think it makes no sense that Mercedes doesn't drain it fully and then brings a car with 798kg weight to weighing and says, you know what, we didn't drain it fully.

They need to drain it. Makes no sense to not drain and be open about it.

Only thing that makes sense is that the, drained to 798 and sent it to weighing.

[214270]

Car was likely fueled assuming a SC.

Or a mistake with ballast. Those are my guesses.

It’s the other way round, typically you underfuel if factoring in a SC.

They had the fuel in-tank to bring the car up to weigh limit, that’s the curious element.

[GrizzleBoy]

Car was likely fueled assuming a SC.

Or a mistake with ballast. Those are my guesses.

I don`t think it was anything to do with fuel as the car must reach 798kg with no fuel at all. The ballast theory is more likely although the tyre theory with regards to maximum wear and no chance of pick up to add weight could cover it.

The tyres must weigh at least 8/9kg...

Just a cock-up by Merc with they have taken on the chin!

I think it was tyres. If they can pick up as much as 400g per tyre in loose rubber on a cool down lap, then surely it stands to reason that switching to a 1 stop could mean they lose a similar amount more rubber over the extra 15-20 laps?

As noted at the top of this page, Alonso and Stroll did only a couple fewer laps on their second stint on a one stop strategy just like George and they both made the minimum weight without picking up marbles.

So for some reason, George had a car that was a couple kg lighter than it should have been at all competitive parts of the weekend, given nothing is allowed to be changed as soon as the car leaves the garage in Q1.