That was the race plan for LH, so they must have had an idea about wear. i dont buy the tyre wear theory personally.mwillems wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 00:51That is the question I wanted answering. Are they weighed after Qualifying.karana wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 00:16For anyone saying that Mercedes were cheating, this comment from an F1 mechanic on Reddit might be interesting:
Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ing_15_kg/cfpachuca wrote:Hijacking the top comment to answer a few questions from the OP and hopefully clear a few bits up. (Source, am F1 mechanic that travels to every race and goes to parc ferme after the race help the FIA weigh the cars)
On OP’s point 2 about ‘somehow it being discovered they improperly drained it’, this isn’t the case. What happens is the race finishes, all the cars park, drivers get out and get weighed while pit in the fans and get the cars on the skateboards. Then one by one all the cars are weighed. This is before any work has been done to them.
The reason they then drained the fuel from George’s car is because it was already at the minimum limit - meaning they knew it would be below once the fuel was out. Also the improper procedure thing reads to me like they drained the tank but not the collector, but then said well it’s obviously already going to be under to let’s not bother getting the rest out.
After qualifying the top 10 cars all get weighed (which means Merc should have had an idea he was pushing the limit, I’m not sure why they didn’t rectify this over night), then after the race all classified cars are weighed. Every week.
Still, Merc didn't know they'd be doing most of the race on one set of tyres, so no need to worry at that point.
Assuming that it was because of the rubber, but it is quite feasible.
Still, and the end of the race, they knew damn well they were going to try and get away with it. At least some in the team were aware, I have a feeling that Toto didn't know at that point.
They planned to one-stop LH? Do you have links to support?Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:18That was the race plan for LH, so they must have had an idea about wear. i dont buy the tyre wear theory personally.mwillems wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 00:51That is the question I wanted answering. Are they weighed after Qualifying.karana wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 00:16For anyone saying that Mercedes were cheating, this comment from an F1 mechanic on Reddit might be interesting:
Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ing_15_kg/
Still, Merc didn't know they'd be doing most of the race on one set of tyres, so no need to worry at that point.
Assuming that it was because of the rubber, but it is quite feasible.
Still, and the end of the race, they knew damn well they were going to try and get away with it. At least some in the team were aware, I have a feeling that Toto didn't know at that point.
Lewis interview after the race, was linked earlier in the Merc thread "mwillems wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:20They planned to one-stop LH? Do you have links to support?Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:18That was the race plan for LH, so they must have had an idea about wear. i dont buy the tyre wear theory personally.mwillems wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 00:51
That is the question I wanted answering. Are they weighed after Qualifying.
Still, Merc didn't know they'd be doing most of the race on one set of tyres, so no need to worry at that point.
Assuming that it was because of the rubber, but it is quite feasible.
Still, and the end of the race, they knew damn well they were going to try and get away with it. At least some in the team were aware, I have a feeling that Toto didn't know at that point.
Can 15 extra laps wear 1.5kg of rubber. I have no idea. Seems a bit of a push but that's not enough to damn them. I feel fine saying that it was just a cover up at the end, most teams would try to get away with it if they could.
"Venturiation wrote: ↑28 Jul 2024, 17:52They decided one stop strategy for lewis before the race and inverted without telling him
Not sure you noticed, But LH is nearly 40 points a head of GR, in a team, clearly favouring the other driver.....Seanspeed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:48Lewis fans loving the excuse potential right now.
We'll just ignore that Russell simply drove impeccably. Reverse roles and none of these same people would ever try and take anything away from Lewis.
It's insane how many people simply refuse to accept that Russell is a serious talent. And I'm not some Russell supporter or anything(I'm a team fan always, and for Ferrari). But his skill is undeniable. He's been clobbering Lewis most of this season and I've never in my life seen somebody so heavily beat somebody who is considered an all time great and get so little credit for it.
Yes, I too would be confused if I didn't actually follow F1 and only looked at Wikipedia results.Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 02:19Not sure you noticed, But LH is nearly 40 points a head of GR, in a team, clearly favouring the other driver.....Seanspeed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:48Lewis fans loving the excuse potential right now.
We'll just ignore that Russell simply drove impeccably. Reverse roles and none of these same people would ever try and take anything away from Lewis.
It's insane how many people simply refuse to accept that Russell is a serious talent. And I'm not some Russell supporter or anything(I'm a team fan always, and for Ferrari). But his skill is undeniable. He's been clobbering Lewis most of this season and I've never in my life seen somebody so heavily beat somebody who is considered an all time great and get so little credit for it.
I looked on f1 website actually..... Dont be salty cause your GR got DQ for cheating with an under weight car...... after his team done his team mate over on his one stop pre race stratagy and gave it to GR and didnt even let him know to regain his lead...... Was KarmaSeanspeed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 02:23Yes, I too would be confused if I didn't actually follow F1 and only looked at Wikipedia results.Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 02:19Not sure you noticed, But LH is nearly 40 points a head of GR, in a team, clearly favouring the other driver.....Seanspeed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:48Lewis fans loving the excuse potential right now.
We'll just ignore that Russell simply drove impeccably. Reverse roles and none of these same people would ever try and take anything away from Lewis.
It's insane how many people simply refuse to accept that Russell is a serious talent. And I'm not some Russell supporter or anything(I'm a team fan always, and for Ferrari). But his skill is undeniable. He's been clobbering Lewis most of this season and I've never in my life seen somebody so heavily beat somebody who is considered an all time great and get so little credit for it.
Save your breath. Seanspeed better has been hating on Lewis since 2013/4Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 02:27I looked on f1 website actually..... Dont be salty cause your GR got DQ for cheating with an under weight car...... after his team done his team mate over on his one stop pre race stratagy and gave it to GR and didnt even let him know to regain his lead...... Was Karma
Nobody favours a driver going out of the team, especially when he is not fighting for WDC. That's how things work in F1 and that's the right thing to do. I am sure he would get that preferential treatment at Ferrari.Mosin123 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 02:19Not sure you noticed, But LH is nearly 40 points a head of GR, in a team, clearly favouring the other driver.....Seanspeed wrote: ↑29 Jul 2024, 01:48Lewis fans loving the excuse potential right now.
We'll just ignore that Russell simply drove impeccably. Reverse roles and none of these same people would ever try and take anything away from Lewis.
It's insane how many people simply refuse to accept that Russell is a serious talent. And I'm not some Russell supporter or anything(I'm a team fan always, and for Ferrari). But his skill is undeniable. He's been clobbering Lewis most of this season and I've never in my life seen somebody so heavily beat somebody who is considered an all time great and get so little credit for it.
You're not making a convincing argument. Saying "there's a set of rules" isn't an argument - rules can be changed, and sometimes should, because they're simply stupid. F1 has had its fair share of stupid rules through time, and this is no exception.Farnborough wrote: ↑28 Jul 2024, 22:34And for what would that change be ?
There's a set of rules (always will be) they know them, as do all the teams. If they want to gamble at that hard line of a no tolerance, rather than ensuring they are able to comply each and every race, then they get the results available to them through their OWN process.
The tire wear theorem absolutely makes sense.