2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
214270
18
Joined: 27 Apr 2019, 18:49

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Antonelli turns 18 today, great opportunity for further grooming under the Williams umbrella should Vowles call it a day with SAR. I’d be onboard with that
Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

User avatar
SKYnRacing24
0
Joined: 24 Mar 2024, 10:10

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Luscion wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 04:48
SKYnRacing24 wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 03:19
Poor from Hamilton, You come back after a summer break and produce that. Im not even surprised by his one lack of pace under these regs and cheese tyres i don't expect it to get better in Ferrari red next year. Hopefully Russell can sneak a podium some how.
These Pirelli tires are flimsy but it seems to be an issue affecting Merc more than anyone else, i dont usually see RB or Ferrari complaining about tire temp issues nearly as often and Mclaren rarely does, if at all. Shov and Allison both talked about their issues with the rear tires still overheating before the summer break and that their working on giving Lewis a car he can attack with
Yeah true but after seing Lewis's quotes its clear they changed too much between P2 and Qualifying (P3 was redundant) and the car was out of the working range. Saw some footage of his lap and the car looked terrible. Oversteer on entry, Understeer turning to Oversteer on exit lool You cant do anything with that. in race trim it might be worse. Giving Lewis a car he can attack with will not be a thing, he only has a couple of months left at this team, The Ferrari's characteristics will be interesting if he can utilize more of his natural ability behind the wheel. Lewis's stubbornness on adapting and his general dislike of ground effect cars has been highlighted by " The Race " and it all adds up to me when performances like this happen.
“And that’s part of the game, is being able to be adaptive, and we’ve got this new car – I don’t know how it’s going to handle, hopefully she’s great.”

Elite
Elite
-3
Joined: 07 Sep 2023, 23:53

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

If the working window of the tyres/car being small wasn't obvious to anyone before, this session should've immediately proved it.

Q1- Hamilton completely at ease, the car and tyres are in a good window. Russell struggling he can barely get near the top.

Q2- Russell completely at ease, the car and tyres are in a good window, Hamilton struggling gets knocked out in q2.

What amplifies this is the tiny quali gaps, in 2021 or 2022 Hamiltons lap would've been just fine.

User avatar
Big Tea
99
Joined: 24 Dec 2017, 20:57

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

I some times wonder of the uniformity of the tyres from set to set.
Several teams seem to have unexplained differences in performance both ways after changing sets
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

Venturiation
Venturiation
98
Joined: 04 Jan 2023, 19:48

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

What a stinker performance for russell from 4th to 7th

Ken27
Ken27
0
Joined: 02 Mar 2024, 21:00

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Venturiation wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:37
What a stinker performance for russell from 4th to 7th
The car was comfortably 4th fastest, so how can that be considered a stinker ?

User avatar
214270
18
Joined: 27 Apr 2019, 18:49

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Scary times if youre a Merc fan, handing the keys to RUS is a problem. Really makes you understand Wolffs pursuit of VER
Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

Jdn1327
Jdn1327
1
Joined: 07 Apr 2022, 12:47

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Well...that race really brought us down to earth a bit...

A lot of difference in performance between two tyres of the same compound though.

Dunlay
Dunlay
1
Joined: 10 Mar 2024, 15:23

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Whatever the problems were and whatever changes they did on Friday, the car was 4th fastest. There was nothing George could have done.

j_ste
j_ste
1
Joined: 20 Jun 2023, 02:40

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Wow…That was sobering.

The new floor hasn’t covered itself in glory so far. That was a race like the early part of the season
Last edited by j_ste on 25 Aug 2024, 16:48, edited 2 times in total.

Luscion
Luscion
87
Joined: 13 Feb 2023, 01:37

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Jdn1327 wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:44
Well...that race really brought us down to earth a bit...

A lot of difference in performance between two tyres of the same compound though.
I think its just down to a really bad setup imo, they got almost no dry running other than fp2, Lewis only got 1 session with the new floor and neither could test the changes made overnight due to Logan crashing and taking away almost the entirety of fp3. Russell was complaining about having no grip on fairly new hard tires and yesterday Ham said his car was oversteering all over the place in quali with the changes they made
Last edited by Luscion on 25 Aug 2024, 16:50, edited 2 times in total.

Venturiation
Venturiation
98
Joined: 04 Jan 2023, 19:48

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Dunlay wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:45
Whatever the problems were and whatever changes they did on Friday, the car was 4th fastest. There was nothing George could have done.
The car is faster than Ferrari, russel destroyed his tyres like always and went from P4 to P7

Hammerfist
Hammerfist
0
Joined: 06 Apr 2017, 04:18

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

214270 wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:43
Scary times if youre a Merc fan, handing the keys to RUS is a problem. Really makes you understand Wolffs pursuit of VER
The guy is a fast qualifier but his race pace has been a problem since the Williams days. Belgium was a hail mary that paid off and ultimately didn't pay off. Today is a better representation of his true level. Yes, next year Merc are in trouble unless Antonelli turns out to be God tier.

Venturiation
Venturiation
98
Joined: 04 Jan 2023, 19:48

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

214270 wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:43
Scary times if youre a Merc fan, handing the keys to RUS is a problem. Really makes you understand Wolffs pursuit of VER
Seeing the drop from redbull next year we might have VER and ANT in Mercedes

Dunlay
Dunlay
1
Joined: 10 Mar 2024, 15:23

Re: 2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

Post

Venturiation wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:50
Dunlay wrote:
25 Aug 2024, 16:45
Whatever the problems were and whatever changes they did on Friday, the car was 4th fastest. There was nothing George could have done.
The car is faster than Ferrari, russel destroyed his tyres like always and went from P4 to P7
You didn't pay attention to Ferrari's pace today! :)