2024 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Aug 23 - 25

[CHT]

An entertaining race!

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Well done Norris, Monza should be exciting

one stop strategy race is harder to push if the car is not easy on tires..which is why there isn't much racing at the front towards the last part of the race as everyone is running on pretty worn tires.

With 70 points margin Max just can't afford to risk DNF at this. Finishing comfortable 2nd is a good result for him

[Mostlyeels]

Props to the Dutch fans, in the name of sport, I congratulate and thank you all

Hear hear! That was a quality act.

[AnthonyG]

I didn't think the race was amazing today, obviously impressive win for Lando today.

I'm not a fan of the track think it's too narrow for modern F1 cars and generally not that exciting, probably wouldn't have the race there if it wasn't for the strong Max fanbase (very impressive it is too!)

Biggest issue for me was the C1-3 compound choice think it was too conservative in my opinion.

We move on though, looking forward to the next series of races

Modern F1 cars are too wide for many tracks, changing the cars is a more durable solution than pointing at the tracks.

[marvin78]

Exactly.

[JordanMugen]

Modern F1 cars are too wide for many tracks, changing the cars is a more durable solution than pointing at the tracks.

This is demonstrably untrue. F1 cars were 15cm wider than present during the 1985 Dutch Grand Prix:



Too long? Maybe. But too wide, absolutely not -- they are still narrow track compared to classic F1 cars. They ONLY ever got narrower (twice) because of FIA rules, not for reasons of the team's choice.

More width is both free roll stiffness AND puts the wheel wakes further away from the body of the car, greatly simplifying aerodynamics and reducing the effect of dirty air on bargeboards & front wings (since the bargeboards & front wing are no longer so important to push the wakes away).



The wide track cars from 1972 to 1992 look wide, mean and perfect really -- it is frankly inexplicable that so many fans refute them and even prefer the silly narrow track era cars from 1998 to 2016.

Yes, Prost could block Lauda with his "wide" 2150mm track modern McLaren Grand Prix car, but so what? Even if the car was 1800mm wide it wouldn't make much difference, short of the cars being of the 1500cc NA era again.

[willmesquita]

Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all

By having another poor start?

By winning with +20s advantage.

[Francis Bacon]

Wow didn’t expect such a performance from Norris today! I’ll have to bite my tongue now but…23 seconds inside Max’s playground??

Quite impressive stuff both from Norris and McLaren! But I believe they should have pitted Piastri early too! He surely would have caught Max at the end…but they probably gambled on safety car!

Driver of the day has to be Leclerc! How on earth did he manage to end 3rd?? Nice race from him!!

How on earth does Russell always manage to barely finish ahead of Lewis even though he started 10 places ahead of him??

Here's how: George often qualifies higher than Lewis, hence it is more much difficult for George overtake and move up than it is for Lewis.

[PlatinumZealot]

George sets his car up for Q and burns through rubber and even his own body weight in the race as his only focus is on beating Lewis. The racing gods are not having it though.

[Wouter]

I didn't think the race was amazing today, obviously impressive win for Lando today.

I'm not a fan of the track think it's too narrow for modern F1 cars and generally not that exciting, probably wouldn't have the race there if it wasn't for the strong Max fanbase (very impressive it is too!)

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Dutch Grand Prix breaks record: highest number of overtaking actions ever during F1 race

Monday 28 August 2023

Last Sunday's Formula 1 Dutch Grand Prix provided a lot of spectacle and chaos. Now it turns out that the race in Zandvoort, the thirteenth race of the 2023 F1 season, broke a Formula 1 record last Sunday afternoon.

The race last Sunday afternoon, it turns out, broke a record. The race had a total of 186 overtaking manoeuvres. These are successful overtaking manoeuvres that gain a position and not the manoeuvres that do not result in a position gain.
Position changes during the first lap, pit stops and lapped drivers also do not count. The high number of overtaking manoeuvres during the Dutch Grand Prix is ​​a record in Formula 1. The previous record was held by the 2016 Chinese Grand Prix. At that time there were 170 overtaking manoeuvres, which means that this year's Dutch Grand Prix had sixteen more position changes than in 2016.

[Dunlay]

Statement by Lando! questions been asked after his poor starts and certain moves in previous races but thats the way to answer it all

By having another poor start?

By winning with +20s advantage.

The point remains that he had another poor start. Thanks to the car advantage, he could overtake and win. When Max was having the start issues, he spent a lot of time with the Honda engineers to understand things better on the engine side and ofcourse the other engineers to sort that out and for almost a year now, I don't remember him having a bad launch, like the one Lando had. So there is definite work on Lando's part.

[selvam_e2002]

It is not McLaren fast... Redbull is slow....

[ali623]

Yeah, if you take McLaren out of the equation, Max still only finished 2.5s ahead of Leclerc despite Leclerc being held up the entire first stint. And only 10s ahead of Sainz, who started 10th on the grid... And this was on a circuit Ferrari were calling a damage limitations race.

[chrisc90]

It is not McLaren fast... Redbull is slow....

How does that explain the gap from McLaren to Ferrari, Mercedes etc?

[willmesquita]

And Norris held by a "slow" Verstappen for 18 laps. If he keeps p1 at start, 30s advantage?

[daren_p]

By having another poor start?

By winning with +20s advantage.

The point remains that he had another poor start. Thanks to the car advantage, he could overtake and win. When Max was having the start issues, he spent a lot of time with the Honda engineers to understand things better on the engine side and ofcourse the other engineers to sort that out and for almost a year now, I don't remember him having a bad launch, like the one Lando had. So there is definite work on Lando's part.

While Lando had another bad start, this time Oscar did as well. So can't be sure if it was a Lando issue or a Mclaren issue. It was also posted somewhere on here that everyone in the top ten that started on the same clean side lost a position at the start, so not so sure we can put the blame all on Lando this time.