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so Red Bull chose to save 2H just like others, M-H-H if 2 stops will be done; same Mercedes

Ferrari and McLaren starting with soft, so they all will be in the same situation come quali

I doubt it will be a 2 stop due to huge pit loss here

[Sergej]

so Red Bull chose to save 2H just like others, M-H-H if 2 stops will be done; same Mercedes

Ferrari and McLaren starting with soft, so they all will be in the same situation come quali

I doubt it will be a 2 stop due to huge pit loss here

seems the teams think it will be a 2-stop race, nobody touched the hard

it will depend on how the track rubber in come tomorrow

meanwhile, not very encouraging this long stint

[AR3-GP]

so Red Bull chose to save 2H just like others, M-H-H if 2 stops will be done; same Mercedes

Ferrari and McLaren starting with soft, so they all will be in the same situation come quali

I doubt it will be a 2 stop due to huge pit loss here

seems the teams think it will be a 2-stop race, nobody touched the hard

it will depend on how the track rubber in come tomorrow

meanwhile, not very encouraging this long stint

Ferrari is not stopping twice.

[AR3-GP]

4th fastest car

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4th fastest car

That is the general impression yes

[Sergej]

hope is that Ferrari/Mercedes can take some points away from Lando, otherwise it will be a disaster in the standings

[Sergej]

there is only one thing to do: use Perez (hoping he gets to Q3) to tow Max

let's see if they will be so dumb not to do it

[venkyhere]

Watched FP3. The RB20 in this avatar looks undriveable. In one stint it's understeering, then they go to the pits and change the setup and then when out next, it's oversteering. I think they have screwed up the balance of the car with the chop-shop front and rear wings - thanks to Perez and his innumerable crashes eating into the budget.

It will be a miracle if Max finishes in the top5 in the race. Yes, he is one of the quickest through parabolica (gifted driver line through there, only other guy doing the same is Hamilton) but the car looks like a proper midfielder everywhere else. The chicanes look painful.

[Emag]

This is exactly what feeds into the "conspiracies".

You can attribute part of the loss in competitiveness due to the failed development plan, but it's difficult to explain why the car's balance is just so horrible, even when they tried early-season spec at Zandvoort. This car was on another level at the beginning of the season. With the exception of Austrlia, no car seemed to be anywhere near it in terms of drivability and overall pace. Now not only are they quite a bit slower, from a relative point of view, but the car visibly drives bad. You can just see how much lock Max has to put in for the lesmos, the understeer is just atrocious.

[Xyz22]

This is exactly what feeds into the "conspiracies".

You can attribute part of the loss in competitiveness due to the failed development plan, but it's difficult to explain why the car's balance is just so horrible, even when they tried early-season spec at Zandvoort. This car was on another level at the beginning of the season. With the exception of Austrlia, no car seemed to be anywhere near it in terms of drivability and overall pace. Now not only are they quite a bit slower, from a relative point of view, but the car visibly drives bad. You can just see how much lock Max has to put in for the lesmos, the understeer is just atrocious.

This was my point. One thing is to lose performance relatively to the competition but in this particular case the car completely changed behaviour compared to the first part of the season. One could argue that when you are forced to push more maybe the balance goes off a bit, but this is something else.

[AR3-GP]

This is exactly what feeds into the "conspiracies".

You can attribute part of the loss in competitiveness due to the failed development plan, but it's difficult to explain why the car's balance is just so horrible, even when they tried early-season spec at Zandvoort. This car was on another level at the beginning of the season. With the exception of Austrlia, no car seemed to be anywhere near it in terms of drivability and overall pace. Now not only are they quite a bit slower, from a relative point of view, but the car visibly drives bad. You can just see how much lock Max has to put in for the lesmos, the understeer is just atrocious.

The RB20 was never born well. It's a failed concept. There was no potential in the direction that they tried to go in. The other teams couldn't capitalize at the beginning of the year. Mclaren's real MCL38 was 5 races late. Mercedes and Ferrari were catching up from being months behind the development curve since 2022.

Just because they were winning doesn't mean the car didn't have problems. Many of us already picked up on the inferior tire degradation and the tire overheating since Bahrain.

They were simply never pushed so Max had margin to drive around the problems. Now that they need to actually maximize every aspect of the race track, the car isn't good enough to do so. The other teams had successful updates and Red Bull didn't. That means Red Bull was standing still, and when you stand still in F1 you go backwards. Mclaren had another succesful update last time out. Ferrari brought their biggest update of the year to Monza. Now both of them are clearly ahead of Red Bull. When other teams have succesful updates, and you do not, you fall behind. It doesn't matter where Red Bull was at the beginning of the season because the other cars are faster than the launch spec RB20.

Jos Verstappen talked about this a few days ago:

Red Bull Racing didn't believe Verstappen
Max sensed at the start of the season that the car was not quite right, the former F1 driver reveals. ''At the beginning of the season where you then win races, then of course it all feels right, but he also said then that the balance is not right. Of course, that was not brought out at the time. They then try to keep that inside. He complained about the balance there too. Max actually complained about it about three months ago. Only they didn't really believe it, or they didn't really see it. Now you're actually a bit too late,'' Jos said.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/297747/j ... ieved.html

The braking problem was there since last year in Monza. Perez struggled to pass the Ferraris and kept braking so early in the brake zones.

[Vettel165]

Imagine the feeling if Max brings the win in Monza home on sunday, and then winning the WDC this year. It would be his most amazing one. I am still calm, but if not today we need to improve the car in the next races. Bringing that second or third place home. Race pace looks better than before. All is possible, its F1 and nothing last forever. Already happy with Max 3 titles.

[AR3-GP]

2 stop race would be better for them.

[Paa]

Max would need a mega tow in Q3 to get a decent result, then hope to settle in a comfortable DRS train for most part of the race to be able to keep it

[ME4ME]

there is only one thing to do: use Perez (hoping he gets to Q3) to tow Max

let's see if they will be so dumb not to do it

You're right, it would make sense to do it. However I doubt Perez will make it to Q3