2024 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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Re: 2024 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Aug 30 - Sep 1

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search wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:32
don't think Ferrari improved on the 2nd set?! If so, they did their fastest laps on a ~10 lap old tire halfway through the session.
Very strange indeed

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:27
Told you guys the free hand of Pierre Wache is a rubbish one! I was called out as chatting crap about his foolish looking rear wing.
It would be wiser to wait for Q3 :D

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:27
Told you guys the free hand of Pierre Wache is a rubbish one! I was called out as chatting crap about his foolish looking rear wing.
Rear wing is working fine it seems. Verstappen fastest in sector 3 which is Ascari and the long back straight followed by Parabolica and the straight to the finish line. So surely df/drag tradeoff must be pretty good.

He is complaining about understeer low-medium speed, the usual problem for Red Bull. This is just the car being funky at the front-end rather than there being something wrong with the rear wing.

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Toto just said that Antonelli crashed because he overcooked the rears through the Lesmos and Ascari. The tires were just way too hot.

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ME4ME wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:40
PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:27
Told you guys the free hand of Pierre Wache is a rubbish one! I was called out as chatting crap about his foolish looking rear wing.
Rear wing is working fine it seems. Verstappen fastest in sector 3 which is Ascari and the long back straight followed by Parabolica and the straight to the finish line. So surely df/drag tradeoff must be pretty good.

He is complaining about understeer low-medium speed, the usual problem for Red Bull. This is just the car being funky at the front-end rather than there being something wrong with the rear wing.
The RB20 in this chop-shop rear and front wings avatar, looks undriveable. In one stint it looks too understeery, then they adjust something and it looks oversteery after. They can't find the balance and I think the reason for these midfielder-team style chop-shop wings is the the amount of money burned by Perez via crashes. The way the RB20 has fallen from grace, is similar to what happened to AMR23 last year after the first 4-5 races.

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Now let me think? What did Red Bull have when they were 20 sec in front and they don't have now, and Mclaren have now they did not before. Hmm. Did Aston spend a few million on the wrong thing?
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ME4ME wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:40
PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 13:27
Told you guys the free hand of Pierre Wache is a rubbish one! I was called out as chatting crap about his foolish looking rear wing.
Rear wing is working fine it seems. Verstappen fastest in sector 3 which is Ascari and the long back straight followed by Parabolica and the straight to the finish line. So surely df/drag tradeoff must be pretty good.

He is complaining about understeer low-medium speed, the usual problem for Red Bull. This is just the car being funky at the front-end rather than there being something wrong with the rear wing.
Rear wing is working fine? And what does that count for? Aerodynamics is about the whole car.
it is foolish-looking and seems a very wild attempt to balance the car.
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31 Aug 2024, 14:21
Now let me think? What did Red Bull have when they were 20 sec in front and they don't have now, and Mclaren have now they did not before. Hmm. Did Aston spend a few million on the wrong thing?
Are you sure McLaren has this thing? Is this thing even a thing? :mrgreen:
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some cars did a long run in FP3, all starting on 7-lap old tires:

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Russell was obviously on lower fuel, but looks like degredation is more of an issue for Red Bull.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 14:43
Big Tea wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 14:21
Now let me think? What did Red Bull have when they were 20 sec in front and they don't have now, and Mclaren have now they did not before. Hmm. Did Aston spend a few million on the wrong thing?
Are you sure McLaren has this thing? Is this thing even a thing? :mrgreen:
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search wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 14:48
some cars did a long run in FP3, all starting on 7-lap old tires:

https://i.imgur.com/X5KHK7u.png

Russell was obviously on lower fuel, but looks like degredation is more of an issue for Red Bull.
They made a setup change between Friday and Saturday. On Friday it was the left front that was the problem. Today it was the left rear that was the problem according to Ver.

Perez is also running a lower downforce setup today compared to yesterday.
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From the top teams, everyone but Perez has two new sets of softs for Q3

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search wrote:
31 Aug 2024, 16:52
From the top teams, everyone but Perez has two new sets of softs for Q3
Perez is here for one thing only

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RedBull six thenths down. Not sure what they sacrificed.
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Hamilton & Verstappen coming through tomorrow 🍿

Russell will go backwards. Imagine the Macca’s get the 1-2
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