2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Juzh]

Q3 was a sh1tshow, what's done is done. P3 is the absolute maximum that's maybe achievable in the race, but im not betting on it. The car is not very fast on straights and doesnt hold any advantage in corners, so last year's strat of following at 0,25s out of parabolica is out of the question this year.

[chrisc90]

Best can hope for is either be somehow tip-toeing on the tyres, or go aggressive and go for the extra stop, or pot luck on a safety car.

Im surprised to be fair, normally Red Bull updates in previous years have been spot on, but this year they are dreadful

[AR3-GP]

I think P5 is the maximum in a straightforward race (beating Russell and Sainz). If there are safety cars and VSCs, then they might get some luck to finish higher up.

[Sergej]

now imagine converting pole to win in Spa and taking the engine penalty here

[AR3-GP]

now imagine converting pole to win in Spa and taking the engine penalty here

Let's also imagine working upgrades. It's nice isn't it?

[Paa]

Ah well p7 is not so bad at Monza with a long run to T1. Can get some places at the start and be in the thick of it by the first pitstop

This only works if Red Bull somehow finds balance overnight.
Doesn't works that well if Red Bull is slower than all cars ahead.

[Emag]

Ah well p7 is not so bad at Monza with a long run to T1. Can get some places at the start and be in the thick of it by the first pitstop

This only works if Red Bull somehow finds balance overnight.
Doesn't works that well if Red Bull is slower than all cars ahead.

They had one of the best longruns in FP2. And qualifying wasn’t actually going bad at all. Just Q3 was weirdly off for them, the car didn’t want to work that session.

[Paa]

The really strange thing is that from the very start of 2022 Red Bull seemed to be the only team fully understanding the new rule set.
They built a car for wide useability instead of peak df values. Completely avoided porpoising, and overall had very good correlation, everything they did worked immediately. They really knew what they were doing, basically cracked to code from the beginning.

And now they seems to be Mercedes from 2022 or Aston Martion from 2023. Basically making all mistakes that others have committed during the last 2 years and not understanding what is going on. As if they had a complete reset and forgot everything they knew before, while the others have learnt in the meantime the hard way.

[Paa]

Ah well p7 is not so bad at Monza with a long run to T1. Can get some places at the start and be in the thick of it by the first pitstop

This only works if Red Bull somehow finds balance overnight.
Doesn't works that well if Red Bull is slower than all cars ahead.

They had one of the best longruns in FP2. And qualifying wasn’t actually going bad at all. Just Q3 was weirdly off for them, the car didn’t want to work that session.

Yeah, and in in Q2 the car seemed to be able to fight for front row. And then Q3 happened.
That's the main issue that car is not predictable. I don't think FP2 is representative in any way. They could find good balance in the race or bad. Probably it will change from stint to stint. Point is this is a complete gamble.

[MYsee]

What a gong show ...

The convergence of the cars has also made it difficult to overtake and move up. Not impossible, but will need one drive to get to podium or fortunate events (the team is due for one).

[DDopey]

As all the developments have taken place when Newey was still there I wonder what happened.

[Sergej]

Maybe one day we will be told what happened during this championship.

[Shal_Leg16]

So basically it was the car for sure

[AR3-GP]

As all the developments have taken place when Newey was still there I wonder what happened.

Actually Horner stressed that Newey wasn’t so much involved in the RB20. That’s the problem.

[gshevlin]

IMHO they created a car that was faster than the RB19, but with limited aero development potential. They have already exhausted the development potential of the car, and recent updates are now making it behave worse, degrading front-end performance (which Max needs to get the fastest lap times).