2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[stonehenge]

Marko just said that starting in Baku they will remove the in season upgrades to find the point where they got it wrong. They are expecting to lose like 20 points of downforce but are hoping to improve the handling.

Oh my... Can someone find the full quote?

[Sergej]

Max: “Yeah, It's really bad at the moment, before Baku we have a lot of work to do, basically change the whole car.”

Checo: "It's going to be a very important week, tomorrow I'll be at the factory immediately with the whole team and it's going to be a very intense few days. The car is there but it's just that we can't find the balance."

hopefully they find some answers

[pantherxxx]

Marko just said that starting in Baku they will remove the in season upgrades to find the point where they got it wrong. They are expecting to lose like 20 points of downforce but are hoping to improve the handling.

That reminds me of 2018 with Ferrari. They went off with the upgrades, and then went back to the original configuration, and then Kimi won a race in Austin. Red Bull should've done the same long time ago. Even if they lose some downforce who cares, race pace matters which is about how long you can keep the tyres working, which is about the stability of the car.

[Xyz22]

Marko just said that starting in Baku they will remove the in season upgrades to find the point where they got it wrong. They are expecting to lose like 20 points of downforce but are hoping to improve the handling.

That reminds me of 2018 with Ferrari. They went off with the upgrades, and then went back to the original configuration, and then Kimi won a race in Austin. Red Bull should've done the same long time ago. Even if they lose some downforce who cares, race pace matters which is about how long you can keep the tyres working, which is about the stability of the car.

Didn't they do this in Zandvoort?

[organic]

Dramatic clipping for max

At least the team is being realistic about the situation now

[Dee]

Marko just said that starting in Baku they will remove the in season upgrades to find the point where they got it wrong. They are expecting to lose like 20 points of downforce but are hoping to improve the handling.

That reminds me of 2018 with Ferrari. They went off with the upgrades, and then went back to the original configuration, and then Kimi won a race in Austin. Red Bull should've done the same long time ago. Even if they lose some downforce who cares, race pace matters which is about how long you can keep the tyres working, which is about the stability of the car.

Exactly

RB went from a winning car to a battling and sometimes winning car to a car that can barely get on the podium.

Yes, other teams have brought upgrades, but the upgrades that RB have brought have made the car unstable and slow. That is a fact.

[Sergej]

Dramatic clipping for max

At least the team is being realistic about the situation now

trade a win in Spa for a detuned engine in Monza

[Xyz22]

Dramatic clipping for max

At least the team is being realistic about the situation now

From F1-tempo he had this issue from lap 33 to 40.
Unless he had DRS the laps after or Perez had the same issues (telemetry is similar between the two)

[Luscion]

Max doesnt think winning the WDC or WCC is possible at the moment

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/verst ... /10650320/

[JordanMugen]

bwoah, they ran the Bahrain floor in Zandvoort, they change the cannons depending on the track, what else do they need to try ?

It honestly seems like Red Bull Racing are lost. Honda ran with no wings at all in 2023 MotoGP pre-season testing for a baseline, similarly suggesting a team that was a bit lost with their understanding of motorcycle downforce development.

Randomly trying different combinations of parts or reverting to Round 1 spec (RBR) or no downforce at all (Honda) is not a good look!

[Is it possible that some of RBR's best aerodynamicists have been allocated to the KTM MotoGP program and need to be recalled to work on the Grand Prix car?! ]

[organic]

Max doesnt think winning the WDC or WCC is possible at the moment

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/verst ... /10650320/

If the car is 4th fastest every weekend - certainly not. And there could be weekends where it is even worse like Singapore

[AR3-GP]

bwoah, they ran the Bahrain floor in Zandvoort, they change the cannons depending on the track, what else do they need to try ?

Are people forgetting how much the car changed after Bahrain?

They shrunk the sidepods and added the new cooling openings. These details have a profound effect on the management of the airflow even if they do not themselves generate downforce.

[Xyz22]

bwoah, they ran the Bahrain floor in Zandvoort, they change the cannons depending on the track, what else do they need to try ?

Are people forgetting how much the car changed after Bahrain?

They shrunk the sidepods and added the new cooling openings. These details have a profound effect on the management of the airflow even if they do not themselves generate downforce.

At this point, the only solution is to try the base car that won in Bahrain to understand if it feels different.

[organic]

bwoah, they ran the Bahrain floor in Zandvoort, they change the cannons depending on the track, what else do they need to try ?

Are people forgetting how much the car changed after Bahrain?

They shrunk the sidepods and added the new cooling openings. These details have a profound effect on the management of the airflow even if they do not themselves generate downforce.

At this point, the only solution is to try the base car that won in Bahrain to understand if it feels different.

Unless the "base car" can no longer run because it's no longer legal Max used the Bahrain spec floor at Netherlands and he had similar balance issues

[Xyz22]

Are people forgetting how much the car changed after Bahrain?

They shrunk the sidepods and added the new cooling openings. These details have a profound effect on the management of the airflow even if they do not themselves generate downforce.

At this point, the only solution is to try the base car that won in Bahrain to understand if it feels different.

Unless the "base car" can no longer run because it's no longer legal Max used the Bahrain spec floor at Netherlands and he had similar balance issues

Yeah but as said earlier in this thread RB changed other parts so it's worth a shot to try the base car. Even though the balance was still good in Suzuka and especially in China (in the dry). So, yeah i have absolutely no idea what is going on here.