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[JRindt]

The overtake was too strong but It was also fair.

It LOOKS fair only because lando chose to yield instead of crashing with his teammate. He himself said in post race interview, that he doesn’t know what else he should’ve done, and If he braked any later, there would have been contact.

Now, if you are forcing your teammate into a yield or crash move, is that really fair? Let’s not even consider that fact that lando is in with a realistic chance of WDC and your team is gunning for WCC, and holding a 1-2 would maximise the result.

I know lando has made his fair share of mistakes this season, but let’s not glorify Oscar’s move, as it would have been a crash if it was with anybody else.

[Ben1980]

What undercut? Oscar made a mistake that costed him 2 seconds and that is what costed him 1st place in Hungary and not the undercut. And then we have Oscar doing this reckless move in Monza which was successful because Lando let him pass to avoid collision costing the team an easy 1-2.

Unless of course the team doesnt care about the WDC.

We saw different races then

Is this Hungary?

Oscar did make a mistake and brought the undercut into play, he was ahead by enough for it not to matter at one point.

[mwillems]

The overtake was too strong but It was also fair.

It LOOKS fair only because lando chose to yield instead of crashing with his teammate. He himself said in post race interview, that he doesn’t know what else he should’ve done, and If he braked any later, there would have been contact.

Now, if you are forcing your teammate into a yield or crash move, is that really fair? Let’s not even consider that fact that lando is in with a realistic chance of WDC and your team is gunning for WCC, and holding a 1-2 would maximise the result.

I know lando has made his fair share of mistakes this season, but let’s not glorify Oscar’s move, as it would have been a crash if it was with anybody else.

I didn't apply any glory to it. I said it was too strong from the moment it happened to now. But it was a pretty standard elbows out move that forced Lando to yield. Lando will naturally complain, that's not indicative of anything.

But it didn't stop Lando making progress for the rest of the race. He struggled to get away from Charles in the middle phase. If he'd been in front and kept his spot then I think our chances would have been worse. I think the overtake is being used as a smokescreen.

[LionsHeart]

Unbelievable! It happened. Has Lando really been made number one for the rest of the season?!

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-make- ... verstappen

I don't know whether to believe this or not.

[Ben1980]

I still think they would have coasted to a 1/2 if Lando didn't fall behind Ferrari.

[mwillems]

Unbelievable! It happened. Has Lando really been made number one for the rest of the season?!

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-make- ... verstappen

I don't know whether to believe this or not.

You mean Stella's quotes from earlier?
I think we need to see a clearer quote and what the rules of engagement are.

[aMessageToCharlie]

In the face of McLaren throwing away another handful of points in the WDC for nothing, I was thinking about why they would do that. I think it's not an unreasonable possibility that Piastri has some no team order/ equal treatment clause in his contract.

After all they had to poach him from Alpine and might have been open to make some concessions. Webber of all people would know to take care of this.

[LionsHeart]

Unbelievable! It happened. Has Lando really been made number one for the rest of the season?!

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-make- ... verstappen

I don't know whether to believe this or not.

You mean Stella's quotes from earlier?
I think we need to see a clearer quote and what the rules of engagement are.

How much earlier? I cited the source. But I don't surf foreign resources, because my native language is not there. I read this on the Russian-language autosport. And I haven't found confirmation in other sources yet. So let's wait.

[mwillems]

Unbelievable! It happened. Has Lando really been made number one for the rest of the season?!

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-make- ... verstappen

I don't know whether to believe this or not.

You mean Stella's quotes from earlier?
I think we need to see a clearer quote and what the rules of engagement are.

How much earlier? I cited the source. But I don't surf foreign resources, because my native language is not there. I read this on the Russian-language autosport. And I haven't found confirmation in other sources yet. So let's wait.

I saw Stella quoted but not exactly the same earlier. But it wasn't clear, seemed like he was saying that they'd go away and look at it. You did apply the link but I think you edited the post as it wasn't there when I clicked on quote.

[LionsHeart]

In the face of McLaren throwing away another handful of points in the WDC for nothing, I was thinking about why they would do that. I think it's not an unreasonable possibility that Piastri has some no team order/ equal treatment clause in his contract.

After all they had to poach him from Alpine and might have been open to make some concessions. Webber of all people would know to take care of this.

But using the same example of Ocon, we see that when or if a driver does not obey the command or instructions before the race, he can fly overboard.

I've never liked team orders. But it's not the start of the season. In fact, 2/3 of the races are already over. There are 8 races left. Lando has a better mathematical chance of winning the title. What's the problem?

You can give them equal chances until the very end, but then the team could repeat 2007 exactly. And that would no longer be a joke.

[LionsHeart]

You mean Stella's quotes from earlier?
I think we need to see a clearer quote and what the rules of engagement are.

How much earlier? I cited the source. But I don't surf foreign resources, because my native language is not there. I read this on the Russian-language autosport. And I haven't found confirmation in other sources yet. So let's wait.

I saw Stella quoted but not exactly the same earlier. But it wasn't clear, seemed like he was saying that they'd go away and look at it. You did apply the link but I think you edited the post as it wasn't there when I clicked on quote.

You are right, I edited the post. I wanted to find the original source so that my words would be supported by something.

[Slahinki]

Unbelievable! It happened. Has Lando really been made number one for the rest of the season?!

https://racingnews365.com/mclaren-make- ... verstappen

I don't know whether to believe this or not.

If it's true, better late then never I suppose. But this stuff should have been sorted before the race in Hungary as many of us on here said. The team are making the WDC needlessly complicated by letting the drivers race on lap 1.

[Darth-Piekus]

Considering Max will struggle in other races from now on and Mclaren will keep bringing upgrades to increase the speed distance Lando has to take priority. Oscar had his chances all year. If he was close to Lando let's say 5 points then it would have been a different case. Oscar however is 109 points behind Max and Lando is 62 points behind Max. He must get preference if we want the double.

[Tvetovnato]

I don’t think the management at McLaren really believed in the drivers title before Hungary, hence the noble engagement rules. Now they see what everyone else sees, so it makes sense.

But I really don’t understand all the intra team driver war among posters here. Piastri did what a racing driver does. He overtook in a perfectly legal way and was quicker in the race. It’s ALL down to McLaren to sort that out before hand, NOT on Piastri. I get the frustration on the team not maximizing the result, but that should be directed to the team management and noone else.

[mwillems]

We will have to review together with the drivers, with the videos," Stella said on Sunday evening. "Understand their point of view and then we will assess together whether they were fully compliant or not. We will take the learning, if there is any learning they need to take, and then we will apply the papaya rules such that they allow us to pursue in the best possible manner both the constructors' championship and the drivers' championship.

"We have to now be in the condition to acknowledge that not only the constructors' championship is possible but even from the driver's point of view, with the performance that we have in the car and some of the struggle we see with Red Bull, it is definitely possible."

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/41 ... se-comfort

These are the quotes I saw. Similar but not the same. Very much saying Lando is the one who might win the WDC if one were to do it, but not going much further.

Feels to me more like they might just try to prevent overly aggressive moves.

As I said before the race, I am surprised they had not instituted a rule that favours whomever gets to T1 first.