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SSJ4 wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 14:51
I still don’t get how out front wing last year got outlawed. But mercs and mclarens hadn’t. They flex and deform more than what astons did last year
Wording from the FIA regarding the ruling :
In a still valid technical directive (TD34) from the FIA, it has emphasised that there are certain behaviours that will not be tolerated even if wings are passed as legal in the pits.

In the note, the FIA says that it does not consider legal “designs whose structural characteristics are altered by secondary parameters, so as to produce (whilst running at the track) a different deflection characteristic than when stationary during the FIA checks. Examples of secondary parameters could be temperature, aerodynamic load etc.”
Supposedly, this is where Aston's wing failed the requirement. The wing produced different results while on-track compared to when tested by the FIA because its deflection characteristics were altered by "secondary parameters".

What those "secondary parameters" would be in the case of Aston is not something we know as it wasn't disclosed in detail.

Nevertheless, Aston's problems run deeper than just a denied flexing front wing. At most, the front wing fiasco is maybe giving McLaren the last tenth or two to consistently be in the fight for wins. It's not the only thing that accounts for the entirety of their current performance level. You can go back and check onboards from McLaren's car in Bahrain testing 2023 and their front wing was bending quite significantly even then, yet the early-spec MCL60 was probably the 8th-9th fastest car on the grid.

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The ultimate proof of this ambitious project is the imminent hiring of Adrian Newey. There are the latest rumours coming from the United Kingdom in this regard.

The announcement and official presentation of the brilliant British designer is expected to take place next week. F1's most celebrated designer is expected to sign a multi-year contract, where the Stratford-Upon-Avon genius will receive a net salary of around 26 million euros per year. A figure for a real top driver. A lavish remuneration that is hardly surprising, as the British designer has brought many ideas, innovations, successes and glory wherever he has worked. In practice, a sort of victory policy for those who manage to secure his performance.

However, there seems to be an obstacle at the contractual level. We refer to the fact that Newey is still tied to the Milton Keynes stable until March 2025. This represents something of an uphill start for Aston Martin, as all teams will start allocating resources and time to their respective technical projects from January next year, as set by the International Federation (with the exception of power units). In any case, for Aston Martin the medium-term future represents a much more significant opportunity than a present that currently offers little satisfaction.
https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2024 ... losno.html

Its happening guys ... or so it seems at least :)

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Newey’s move to Aston Martin set to be made official

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/newe ... /10650940/

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Let's hear it already
A lion must kill its prey.

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Wasn't it pretty much confirmed this week when Nico Rosberg threw a sly comment at Crofty and that he had seemingly told him in "private" that Newey is heading to Aston Martin?

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They're spending all this money to improve the team but not replacing the most obvious deficit on the grid

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organic wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 16:41
They're spending all this money to improve the team but not replacing the most obvious deficit on the grid
I don't think it matters, assuming you are talking about Stroll Jr. First they need to make a winning car, having another top driver next to Alonso won't help that much right now in my opinion.

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The main reason Lawrence is spending all this money is Lance, so just live with it, it's probably not going to change.

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SSJ4 wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 14:51
I still don’t get how out front wing last year got outlawed. But mercs and mclarens hadn’t. They flex and deform more than what astons did last year
The wing had mechanism in it that split the elements near the the Y250 area. It wasn't just bending "backwards", but also "drooped" sideways.

Once opened, the split area created a vortex very similar to the old Y250. The mechanism may have been spring loaded in order to close up and stay rigid enough to pass the test.

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peewon wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 10:44
Rikrikrik wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 02:10
https://www.larazon.es/deportes/contund ... 6641a.html
Alonso said nothing different should happen in Baku, Singapore and Austin, is that means the last upgrades maybe come just in Mexico, unfortunetly. I hope so those upgrades finally can show some real progress in the right path.
I think it's highly unusual to bring updates so late in the season unless your fighting for something. I think this might be it for development this season. Maybe allow the fresh minds to be involved before heading into a new direction.

Kind of weird this year that there is another GAP of 1 month Between Singapore to Austin, TX.

Don't forget that next year will be an unusual year, there is more manufacturing for the 2026 car than there is for a standard year and they can't get started till Jan 1 on the 2026 car.

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Waz wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 17:13
SSJ4 wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 14:51
I still don’t get how out front wing last year got outlawed. But mercs and mclarens hadn’t. They flex and deform more than what astons did last year
The wing had mechanism in it that split the elements near the the Y250 area. It wasn't just bending "backwards", but also "drooped" sideways.

Once opened, the split area created a vortex very similar to the old Y250. The mechanism may have been spring loaded in order to close up and stay rigid enough to pass the test.
Didn't they walk back that TD?

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Carlos Miquel confirms Newey's signing. He has signed for four seasons at AM. Announcement next week

Welcome Newey! :D


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KimiRai wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 18:09
Carlos Miquel confirms Newey's signing. He has signed for four seasons at AM. Announcement next week

Welcome Newey! :D

Until there is an official announcement, please don't celebrate.

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KimiRai wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 18:09
Carlos Miquel confirms Newey's signing. He has signed for four seasons at AM. Announcement next week

Welcome Newey! :D

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/09/ ... on-report/

Have Newey starting in March and Cardile in August 2025.

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xReVo wrote:
03 Sep 2024, 18:38
Until there is an official announcement, please don't celebrate.
Oh come on :D :lol:

Fine, okay... you win for now. :wink: