2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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deadhead wrote:
10 Sep 2024, 23:57
https://x.com/ferrarif1fra/status/18336 ... 2n8am2mMAg

“It should also be noted that Ferrari was lacking a specialist in vehicle dynamics and suspensions, they sought one of the best if not the best, Loïc Serra. Aerodynamically speaking, the team has always been interesting by showing great things.”
I remember these guys back in May telling how important Newey will be for Ferrari and how much creativity and experience he will bring to Maranello; just a few months later Ferrari need to focus on smart recruitment, build step by step, one man show is not enough, etc. Ok.

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Xyz22 wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:05
Got interesting footage from Multiviewer.



The green bar is the throttle application, and Leclerc is second from the top. Why do you think he uses so much throttle in the corners? Way more than Norris behind, for example.
It's probably a combination of different things. My guess is that driving style + car/setup differences are the most impactful.

Notice that Leclerc trail brakes for longer as well. By keeping the brakes on, he tries to loosen the rear and force some rotation at the rear when the weight is shifted to the front. Then mid-apex he applies (some) throttle to shift the weight balance to the rear and manage any oversteer that might occur by giving the rear tires a little bit more grip.

When the car feels stable and ready to point out of there, he goes full throttle.

Very interesting, thank you for sharing. It shows what great technique Leclerc has. It's very hard to do what he does consistently. Even if it's faster, you risk losing laptime if you don't get it right.

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Xyz22 wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:05
Got interesting footage from Multiviewer.

The green bar is the throttle application, and Leclerc is second from the top. Why do you think he uses so much throttle in the corners? Way more than Norris behind, for example.
Leclerc pretty consistently does this when he's comfortable with the car. It was even discussed after qualifying during Monza. Here are examples (I just chose random sessions)

Monza 2024 qualifying (LEC vs SAI):

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Austin 2023 qualifying (LEC vs NOR):

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Monza 2019 qualifying (LEC vs HAM):

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There are some tracks he doesn't do it in, such as Monaco, but there are also periods he's mostly stopped (triple header this year being an example) - usually the ones that align with when he isn't happy with the car's stability.

I have noticed that Sainz also uses throttle a bit more than other drivers in the same turns, but nowhere near the level of Leclerc. This, I'm not sure of, maybe it's a characteristic of the Ferrari car?

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Sergej wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:27
I remember these guys back in May telling how important Newey will be for Ferrari and how much creativity and experience he will bring to Maranello; just a few months later Ferrari need to focus on smart recruitment, build step by step, one man show is not enough, etc. Ok.
Serra was recruited almost a year before Newey confirmed he's leaving Red Bull
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 19:42
Sergej wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:27
I remember these guys back in May telling how important Newey will be for Ferrari and how much creativity and experience he will bring to Maranello; just a few months later Ferrari need to focus on smart recruitment, build step by step, one man show is not enough, etc. Ok.
Serra was recruited almost a year before Newey confirmed he's leaving Red Bull
Yeah and he was announced by the same guys who ten months later were telling how much Ferrari would have enjoyed the technical reshaping coming with Newey.

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Sergej wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 20:34
Yeah and he was announced by the same guys who ten months later were telling how much Ferrari would have enjoyed the technical reshaping coming with Newey.
Not sure anyone ever mentioned technical reshaping. It was always about his personal input and trying to find a way to fit Newey within existing structure. It converged to a super-consultant position, where he'd probably be given a final approval authority over some or most of the conceptual and design details. The reason it wasn't a full time position was reported to be his own personal preference, he simply does not want to move to Italy.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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That drive in Monza by Charles was honestly sublime. There's so much wailing by McLaren fans still about throwing away a win, but Charles was so fast and so metronomic that he had them covered either way. Especially as it's been said the McLaren's were lapping a second faster than their planned delta.

They were never winning it at that pace.

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Waz wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 21:42
That drive in Monza by Charles was honestly sublime. There's so much wailing by McLaren fans still about throwing away a win, but Charles was so fast and so metronomic that he had them covered either way. Especially as it's been said the McLaren's were lapping a second faster than their planned delta.

They were never winning it at that pace.
Who did say they were going a second faster than their planned delta?

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huh, have we seen that back wing before? looks bigger than the other and also has that small dip in the middle

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Fakepivot wrote:
12 Sep 2024, 12:25
huh, have we seen that back wing before? looks bigger than the other and also has that small dip in the middle
Same rear wing from Spa 23 and 24. What's interesting is seeing Monza front wing flaps in Baku, it may be just because of quick shipping after Monza, but if not it's something different from Ferrari

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Huge rear wing on the Ferrari compared to McLaren and Red Bull. I wonder what they might be cooking.

I guess if it really is the Spa wing it would mean they are still fairly good on the straights, especially with it being a rear-limited track where they can use their good traction. I'm assuming this means that they will run a lot of front wing load as well, meaning they should be able to dial out a lot of the understeer they had in Monza for a pretty insignificant drag penalty, since Baku isn't really an aero efficiency track.

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bananapeel23 wrote:
12 Sep 2024, 12:34
Huge rear wing on the Ferrari compared to McLaren and Red Bull. I wonder what they might be cooking.

I guess if it really is the Spa wing it would mean they are still fairly good on the straights, especially with it being a rear-limited track where they can use their good traction. I'm assuming this means that they will run a lot of front wing load as well, meaning they should be able to dial out a lot of the understeer they had in Monza for a pretty insignificant drag penalty, since Baku isn't really an aero efficiency track.
It's not really that their RW is much bigger than on RB, maybe black color on RB's rear wing makes wing look flatter?

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Vanja #66 wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 19:42
Sergej wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:27
I remember these guys back in May telling how important Newey will be for Ferrari and how much creativity and experience he will bring to Maranello; just a few months later Ferrari need to focus on smart recruitment, build step by step, one man show is not enough, etc. Ok.
Serra was recruited almost a year before Newey confirmed he's leaving Red Bull
Do we know why people like Serra and others that we have recruited have 1+ year of gardening leave, yet DT like Cardille had less. Seems like most of engineers we get have much longer gardening than the ones we lose

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.Bole wrote:
12 Sep 2024, 13:49
Vanja #66 wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 19:42
Sergej wrote:
11 Sep 2024, 00:27
I remember these guys back in May telling how important Newey will be for Ferrari and how much creativity and experience he will bring to Maranello; just a few months later Ferrari need to focus on smart recruitment, build step by step, one man show is not enough, etc. Ok.
Serra was recruited almost a year before Newey confirmed he's leaving Red Bull
Do we know why people like Serra and others that we have recruited have 1+ year of gardening leave, yet DT like Cardille had less. Seems like most of engineers we get have much longer gardening than the ones we lose
I get the impression, that engineers from Mercedes in particular have quite long gardening leaves.