Flexiwings 2024

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scuderiabrandon wrote:
06 Sep 2024, 18:14
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 Sep 2024, 17:56
AR3-GP wrote:
06 Sep 2024, 17:23
It also supports the theory that balance issues lead to tire degradation.
They always do, especially with Pirellis. If tyres had bigger window, it would have been less obvious, but it would still be there
The only people who argued against this though were the fans that had to look past the fact to push an agenda. Especially those that enjoy deifying the drivers. I never really though of it as a “theory”.
I don't think every driver is the same with tire management. Look at Bottas and Hamilton in the same car. Look at Russell and Hamilton in the same car. So there is still a skill there.

I just thought it was interesting that the overall tire management of the Mercedes could collapse overnight just because of a floor. It also helps give some context to Red Bull's tire management problems this season, and how quickly it could turn around for them if the balance of the car is corrected. I had previously speculated that it was a suspension issue, but as they reveal that the balance issue has been there for a while, it makes more sense now.
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I really wonder how wild flexiwings would have gotten by now if they hadn't already cracked down on it in mid 2023. Aston Martin fell off a cliff after the first round of flexiwing crackdowns. I can't imagine how wild they would have gotten by now if they were allowed to develop their old style of flexiwing through to now.

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If teams cannot fix their flex issues then FIA can force them to run this

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FW17 wrote:
12 Sep 2024, 16:35
If teams cannot fix their flex issues then FIA can force them to run this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0a2fOpWoAI9QV1.jpg
imagine a world where the legality boxes were huge but we limited absolute numbers of elements/weight of assembly or stopped them getting mad with the teethy profiels - we might see such random looking ephemera gracing the racing cars of the world.

Open the boxes. Let them flex. Encourage the flex, but make the total wing area (and peak DF) less
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It does appear that McLaren's drs flap rotates to lower AOA at higher speeds. The evidence of this is somewhat clear as Brandon says: the flap where it lines up with the wingtip corners no longer does at high speed.


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That is absolutely ridiculous.
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organic wrote:It does appear that McLaren's drs flap rotates to lower AOA at higher speeds. The evidence of this is somewhat clear as Brandon says: the flap where it lines up with the wingtip corners no longer does at high speed.

This car is made of carbon noodles

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organic wrote:
15 Sep 2024, 15:40
It does appear that McLaren's drs flap rotates to lower AOA at higher speeds. The evidence of this is somewhat clear as Brandon says: the flap where it lines up with the wingtip corners no longer does at high speed.

I cannot see the likes of Ferrari/Red Bull not protesting this, it's becoming ridiculous.

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Comparison from Zarya https://x.com/Varyzia/status/1835315375 ... ObdHQ&s=19

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I think Ferrari will protest this.

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That’s a lot of drag reduction. Basically a mini drs.

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The FIA has to put an end to this flexible wing thing once and for all. Some teams are winning races because of what everyone sees. It is the front wing now the drs that lifts in the lower corners. All this together only on the straight in Baku should give a huge advantage. Maybe 5/6 km/h at the end of the straight. It's ridiculous and it's only the fault of the FIA.

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Same behaviour at Monza. Can't see this lasting

Not seen this behaviour with any rear wing in '22, '23 or '24 until now. This isn't run-of-the-mill tolerance imo


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Someone must know a team member who can get them clips looked at within the teams - especially to give them a heads up.
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So now it's gonna be front and rear, delightful lol.

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It's out of control and the FIA should have handled it months ago.
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