Maybe they didn't alter the design but made to top elements to be able to flex more so then you start with +30 clicks and see how it goes.
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Maybe they didn't alter the design but made to top elements to be able to flex more so then you start with +30 clicks and see how it goes.
You don't have to add flexible wings to the "upgrade list" (I don't know the real name) if they are the same spec. Weight reductions from improved materials or new fabrication methods don't need to be listed as long as the spec stays the same. Theoretically the same could apply to a front wing, assuming you simply lay the carbon fibre down in a different way to encourage the wings to flex under load, while still being built to a previous spec.
It's the same load as the old wing though, there is no benefit to having any flexing if you're not piling up significantly more downforce for the medium-low speed corners.
That's why i said you start with more clicks to test it. In monza i think Leclerc asked 3 times +4 clicks so now you go to the limit to test it in fp1 and you reduce if it doesn't work well.Emag wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:08It's the same load as the old wing though, there is no benefit to having any flexing if you're not piling up significantly more downforce for the medium-low speed corners.
Like this they will get the same performance as before, just with slightly better drag. Which again, wouldn't even be a huge benefit, because the front wing is already (relatively) low drag.
It's possible that the only thing that can change is the flex, but since it is a new spec front wing they'd still have to declare it, I believe. Whether moving to a flexible front wing would require any geometric changes to the wing is a separate matter but I would think it does. For instance, the Mclaren endplates have different geometries because one of the main functions of the FW is to stop air hitting the front tyres. Flex can disrupt this process unless it is baked in to the geometry of the flexible design. Not fixing this could actually increase drag and affect the floor seal with the turbulent air coming off the front wheel.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:06You don't have to add flexible wings to the "upgrade list" (I don't know the real name) if they are the same spec. Weight reductions from improved materials or new fabrication methods don't need to be listed as long as the spec stays the same. Theoretically the same could apply to a front wing, assuming you simply lay the carbon fibre down in a different way to encourage the wings to flex under load, while still being built to a previous spec.
You should be unable to tell visually if this is the case.
There is a limit to how much adjustability the flaps have. At some point you have to design a new wing if you want more downforce because you can't just keep clicking the flaps up or you'll exceed the angle of attack threshold the wing can work at.bluechris wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:13That's why i said you start with more clicks to test it. In monza i think Leclerc asked 3 times +4 clicks so now you go to the limit to test it in fp1 and you reduce if it doesn't work well.Emag wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:08It's the same load as the old wing though, there is no benefit to having any flexing if you're not piling up significantly more downforce for the medium-low speed corners.
Like this they will get the same performance as before, just with slightly better drag. Which again, wouldn't even be a huge benefit, because the front wing is already (relatively) low drag.
I mean I agree, but also I can't imagine how they could manage to break a front wing during pit stop practice. Realistically the front jack would break well before the wing does.scuderiabrandon wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:29I don't think it would be very wise to use your very limited amount of new front wings during pit stop practice. Even then if it came down to only being structural changes to the materials to allow more flex, that is something you probably won't see on an upgrade list.
There is always the possibility of the parts not having arrived yet. Given they have gone straight from Baku to Singapore, they'd still have the old wings with them. The new ones would be shipped from the factory.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:57I mean I agree, but also I can't imagine how they could manage to break a front wing during pit stop practice. Realistically the front jack would break well before the wing does.scuderiabrandon wrote: ↑19 Sep 2024, 13:29I don't think it would be very wise to use your very limited amount of new front wings during pit stop practice. Even then if it came down to only being structural changes to the materials to allow more flex, that is something you probably won't see on an upgrade list.
Yep now that makes sense. Quite a bit more load at the front. Will be interesting to see onboards how much it will flex.
