2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[PapayaFan481]

He's definitely fading, the speed has gone in qualifying and he's becoming less consistent in the races. I think it's a mistake from Ferrari and from Hamilton himself to sign a contract with them. I can see a Vettel situation when he partners Leclerc, it will only hurt his legacy.

There’s no denying he’s fading, everyone does. I’m just not convinced he’s fading to the extent to which some are suggesting, and neither do Ferrari. Less consistent in races,

Canada 4th
Spain 3rd
Austria 4th
Silverstone 1st
Hungary 3rd
Belgium 1st

Inconsistent? I don’t think so.

If he’s spanked by Leclerc, then, yes, it’s time to call it a day. That’s why we love the sport, and tune in. To find out the answers to these questions.

I hope you're right but I fear not, he now struggles like mad when the car isn't perfected for him on a race weekend, I dread to think what he will be like in an alien Ferrari.

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

[DRS]

There’s no denying he’s fading, everyone does. I’m just not convinced he’s fading to the extent to which some are suggesting, and neither do Ferrari. Less consistent in races,

Canada 4th
Spain 3rd
Austria 4th
Silverstone 1st
Hungary 3rd
Belgium 1st

Inconsistent? I don’t think so.

If he’s spanked by Leclerc, then, yes, it’s time to call it a day. That’s why we love the sport, and tune in. To find out the answers to these questions.

I hope you're right but I fear not, he now struggles like mad when the car isn't perfected for him on a race weekend, I dread to think what he will be like in an alien Ferrari.

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

[Matt2725]

I hope you're right but I fear not, he now struggles like mad when the car isn't perfected for him on a race weekend, I dread to think what he will be like in an alien Ferrari.

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

[bluechris]

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

That is called experience and with this kind you get championships

[Matt2725]

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

That is called experience and with this kind you get championships

Or he's lost that edge racing at the front since 2014. Max has won the last 3 championships in a row and still exhibits that edge to his racing that gets him ahead.

[PapayaFan481]

I hope you're right but I fear not, he now struggles like mad when the car isn't perfected for him on a race weekend, I dread to think what he will be like in an alien Ferrari.

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

For me there is one reason and one reason alone why Lewis, Max nor any of the current drivers will ever be the GOAT....

They're not Ayrton Senna

[DRS]

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

You are correct, there was one onboard where he was up the inside of Bearman yet backed out, Leclerc, Russell, Verstappen would have been through with ease.

[DRS]

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

For me there is one reason and one reason alone why Lewis, Max nor any of the current drivers will ever be the GOAT....

They're not Ayrton Senna

Correct, but I think Max has got a great argument to be in that league, he's just relentless.

[Jdn1327]

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

That is called experience and with this kind you get championships

Or he's lost that edge racing at the front since 2014. Max has won the last 3 championships in a row and still exhibits that edge to his racing that gets him ahead.

Well to be fair, with out a competitive car, Verstappen has been out of racing touch. Lewis is in the same position as well. They're both great but when the car is not quick they generally fade away.

[Lasssept]

[j_ste]

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

You are correct, there was one onboard where he was up the inside of Bearman yet backed out, Leclerc, Russell, Verstappen would have been through with ease.

Risk assessment. It’s how you collect more points over a season than you should do…slamming it up the inside for p11. Not smart.

[DRS]

I think he's in the conversation. For me, he's lost that killer instinct he once had.

So many times I've watched his onboards knowing that a Verstappen, Leclerc, Russell etc would go for certain moves that Lewis is now either not going for, or backing out of early. I didn't pay too much attention to his race on Sunday but I would bet there are multiple times he had an opportunity to send one up the inside and backed off way before the braking zone.

You are correct, there was one onboard where he was up the inside of Bearman yet backed out, Leclerc, Russell, Verstappen would have been through with ease.

Risk assessment. It’s how you collect more points over a season than you should do…slamming it up the inside for p11. Not smart.

Had he done so, that P11 might have ended up a P8 or a P7.

[PlatinumZealot]

I hope you're right but I fear not, he now struggles like mad when the car isn't perfected for him on a race weekend, I dread to think what he will be like in an alien Ferrari.

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

Lol. You know whats funny? You fall into the same set of people Papaya fan is talking about!

Lewis is actually the most consitent driver if going by data. It's just that his off days are scrutinized more than any other.

All the people you mentioned above had and do have their crappy days, and had many clumsy drives when the car was not there for them or old age, rankled by rival drivers etc. Just as much, if not more.

For me, Lewis is the GOAT considering his abilities inside the car, outside the car, wet weather, qualifying, race pace, overtaking, clean racing, politically agnostic, being welcoming to fans and rookies etc. It's hard to find another champion with as much balance in their qualities.

[GrizzleBoy]

I have no idea why they bothered qith this livery. Looks very pedestrian. Looks like they actually didnt bother. Maybe thats the problem.

The team has checked out.

[DRS]

Remember 2011? There were several race weekends where Lewis wasn't happy with the car and that is why Button ended up beating him that season.

This is not new from Lewis.

I suspect most drivers are just the same, but because it's Lewis (same with Max) the media picks up on it a lot more and so it APPEARS that they complain more.

As much as I love him, that's why for me he can never be the GOAT. Lewis just has too many weekends where he's not at the races, Max might have one or two tops, the same for prime Schumacher, Senna, etc.

Lol. You know whats funny? You fall into the same set of people Papaya fan is talking about!

Lewis is actually the most consitent driver if going by data. It's just that his off days are scrutinized more than any other.

All the people you mentioned above had and do have their crappy days, and had many clumsy drives when the car was not there for them or old age, rankled by rival drivers etc. Just as much, if not more.

For me, Lewis is the GOAT considering his abilities inside the car, outside the car, wet weather, qualifying, race pace, overtaking, clean racing, politically agnostic, being welcoming to fans and rookies etc. It's hard to find another champion with as much balance in their qualities.

He really isn't, how often did you see Senna, Schumacher, Verstappen, etc lost for pace and missing for the weekend. Yes they made some costly errors but apart from an elderly Schumacher who'd been out of the sport for 3 years they seldom struggled for pace. I just don't think Hamilton has that out and out speed to be classed in their league.