2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

What Fittings says is that the difference was miniscule. At best 1 tenth in a very long straight. Its not like it was asymmetric braking that gave more than 6 tenths and Red Bull kept it for two years.

[dialtone]

Yes obviously but I don't think that the effect is significant. If it was McLaren would be relatively faster in Spa/Monza/Baku compared to other races and that is just not visible.

This position doesn’t make sense.

They designed it on purpose and are awesome for exploiting gray areas, but they did all of this for no gain and thus just spent money to gain nothing.

So are they awesome or what?

Who says no gain. Don't be making stuff up.

I don't think the effect is significant (important, large, or great, esp. in leading to a different result or to an important change). If it was some kind of magic bullet McLaren would dominate those races.

Look, so you are saying that in Monza or Baku without that wing they would have been exactly where they were in the race?

How much is this non significant gain you speak of?

[CjC]

The effect would have been beneficial, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. In a sport when .0.01 can separate anything can be deemed large enough an effect.

Yes obviously but I don't think that the effect is significant. If it was McLaren would be relatively faster in Spa/Monza/Baku compared to other races and that is just not visible.

This position doesn’t make sense.

They designed it on purpose and are awesome for exploiting gray areas, but they did all of this for no gain and thus just spent money to gain nothing.

So are they awesome or what?

They did gain, they won the race in Baku

[dialtone]

What Fittings says is that the difference was miniscule. At best 1 tenth in a very long straight. Its not like it was asymmetric braking that gave more than 6 tenths and Red Bull kept it for two years.

That is a massive difference, 0.1s in a single straight for 60 laps and you sit 6s behind the winner at best.

Calling 0.1s insignificant is not right.

[FittingMechanics]

McLaren will change the wing. Everyone can relax. No "mini DRS" anymore.

Let's come back to this after Las Vegas.

[Darth-Piekus]

And yet the wing didnt really make a difference in Monza so I dont see where the fuss is about. As I said its not like it was something like asymmetric braking or the DAS that gave more than 5 tenths in race time.

[Dunlay]

This would peg back McLaren a bit in races.

[Ben1980]

What Fittings says is that the difference was miniscule. At best 1 tenth in a very long straight. Its not like it was asymmetric braking that gave more than 6 tenths and Red Bull kept it for two years.

Based on? No idea what the benefit was. And tge team aren't making anything for a miniscule difference.

[CjC]

Does anyone know if the new Zandvoort wing has the mini drs effect as well?

[Darth-Piekus]

I dont have a source. Can you prove the opposite?

[Ben1980]

And yet the wing didnt really make a difference in Monza so I dont see where the fuss is about. As I said its not like it was something like asymmetric braking or the DAS that gave more than 5 tenths in race time.

How do you know that it didn't make a difference in Monza?

[Sevach]

What Fittings says is that the difference was miniscule. At best 1 tenth in a very long straight. Its not like it was asymmetric braking that gave more than 6 tenths and Red Bull kept it for two years.

That is a massive difference, 0.1s in a single straight for 60 laps and you sit 6s behind the winner at best.

Calling 0.1s insignificant is not right.

It's not insignificant on that alone and even in this low estimate, from someone wanting to downplay it.

There's secondary benefits of making the car harder to overtake.
And saving some fuel and more efficient recharging.

[CjC]

What Fittings says is that the difference was miniscule. At best 1 tenth in a very long straight. Its not like it was asymmetric braking that gave more than 6 tenths and Red Bull kept it for two years.

Based on? No idea what the benefit was. And tge team aren't making anything for a miniscule difference.

I didn’t read an article and I think they journo said it was worth a tenth on the 2.2km straight in Baku

[FittingMechanics]

Does anyone know if the new Zandvoort wing has the mini drs effect as well?

Only footage where it seems to be happening is on the low downforce wing used in Spa, Monza and Baku. The effect was much less noticeable in Monza (at 331 kph it barely was deflected). In Baku it seems to be more flexible, maybe due to way wing was run.

I really doubt anything is happening on higher dowforce wings.

[Darth-Piekus]

By seeing the race where both Mclaren were unable to escape Leclerc. For something so radical it didnt help them much.