2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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bananapeel23 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:52
Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:04
The race is over. No strategy can save it, unless you go for hards and the SC goes out in the perfect moment (which is extremely unlikely and only down to luck). Also, they will be behind the slowest drivers of the top 10: Alonso and Hulkenberg who will block all the others.

The execution of this quali session was some of the worst i've ever seen in my lifetime. The preparation for Leclerc Q3 lap was awful.
Tyres were out of the window on a regular basis, Sainz was nowhere who is usually very fast in this track and so on.
Singapore brings some of the most unpredictable races of them all. I don't expect Ferrari to trouble the leaders, but it's far from an impossibility depending on how the race plays out. If they manage to clear Alonso, Hulk and Tsunoda early they could very well be in the mix. Alternatively if a safety car or red flag comes out early, they could trouble them as well. If a safety car comes out after they clear the slower cars, the win is very much a possibility.
Overtaking is close to impossible unless you have a 2s delta, i.e. new soft tyres vs 20 laps old medium.
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Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:04
The execution of this quali session was some of the worst i've ever seen in my lifetime. The preparation for Leclerc Q3 lap was awful.
Tyres were out of the window on a regular basis, Sainz was nowhere who is usually very fast in this track and so on.
Sainz messed up himself and team messed up Leclerc. It happened regularly 2 years ago and ocassionaly last year, there were far worse Q3 sessions in several seasons in the last 10 years.

Sainz was nowhere the whole weekend, he wouldn't have broken past P5 in any case. This isn't his special track, he qualified ahead of Norris in 2019 because Norris messed up in Q3 (and set the fastest lap between them in Q2) and was only quicker than Leclerc last year because severe understeer of the car suited him and hampered Leclerc. In the race in 2022 he was lapping 5 tenths slower than Leclerc, who was considerably slowed down by Perez

codetower wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:44
The problem I see with starting on softs is that you are almost forcing yourself into a 2-stopper. It’s not worth it to jump Alonzo. If you get an early Red Flag, everyone is switching, if it comes after lap 15 or so, you lose out. M-H theres no advantage. Everyone will be on that. The only gamble i see is starting on hards, going long and hoping theres a SC or Red flag AFTER the front runners have pitted.
Exactly, they need to save Softs for the final stint and see what simulations say on how best to reach it. I wouldn't risk with Hards, they could be tricky to heat up with a slow and heavy car in a night race. Mediums on a moderate pace (2-3s behind slower cars the whole time) should easily last well over half a race and Softs can also be managed to last at least 20 laps, like Leclerc did even last year
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Carlos should just do another out lap special if Leclerc needs help tomorrow...
A lion must kill its prey.

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Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:54
bananapeel23 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:52
Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:04
The race is over. No strategy can save it, unless you go for hards and the SC goes out in the perfect moment (which is extremely unlikely and only down to luck). Also, they will be behind the slowest drivers of the top 10: Alonso and Hulkenberg who will block all the others.

The execution of this quali session was some of the worst i've ever seen in my lifetime. The preparation for Leclerc Q3 lap was awful.
Tyres were out of the window on a regular basis, Sainz was nowhere who is usually very fast in this track and so on.
Singapore brings some of the most unpredictable races of them all. I don't expect Ferrari to trouble the leaders, but it's far from an impossibility depending on how the race plays out. If they manage to clear Alonso, Hulk and Tsunoda early they could very well be in the mix. Alternatively if a safety car or red flag comes out early, they could trouble them as well. If a safety car comes out after they clear the slower cars, the win is very much a possibility.
Overtaking is close to impossible unless you have a 2s delta, i.e. new soft tyres vs 20 laps old medium.
Yes, They need to clear them on lap 1.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos start to attack Charles early, witch will compromise the race for both.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:55
codetower wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 19:44
The problem I see with starting on softs is that you are almost forcing yourself into a 2-stopper. It’s not worth it to jump Alonzo. If you get an early Red Flag, everyone is switching, if it comes after lap 15 or so, you lose out. M-H theres no advantage. Everyone will be on that. The only gamble i see is starting on hards, going long and hoping theres a SC or Red flag AFTER the front runners have pitted.
Exactly, they need to save Softs for the final stint and see what simulations say on how best to reach it. I wouldn't risk with Hards, they could be tricky to heat up with a slow and heavy car in a night race. Mediums on a moderate pace (2-3s behind slower cars the whole time) should easily last well over half a race and Softs can also be managed to last at least 20 laps, like Leclerc did even last year
Do you think it'll be a given 2 stopper? Or are you thinking something like Mercedes did last year? A late SC and take a chance on the Softs to make a charge? They did look strong on the Med in practice, so i see your point. H might be more risk than reward.

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Just saw that Leclerc said the front tyres were over 10 degrees cooler than the ideal temp? What the hell happened? Even 1 degree can make a colossal difference

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Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:22
Just saw that Leclerc said the front tyres were over 10 degrees cooler than the ideal temp? What the hell happened? Even 1 degree can make a colossal difference
Faulty blankets.


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codetower wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:10
Do you think it'll be a given 2 stopper? Or are you thinking something like Mercedes did last year? A late SC and take a chance on the Softs to make a charge? They did look strong on the Med in practice, so i see your point. H might be more risk than reward.
No no, it's a one stop like last year and I think they should risk and go for M-S strategy. I fear they could lose positions on the start if they go H-S but they might just do that too. H-M would be a conservative strategy and only an option if there's a (V)SC around lap 30-35, ie halfway point. For any SC past lap 35 they can fit Softs and if there's no (V)SC they shouldn't pit before lap 42-45
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DoctorRadio wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:34
Xyz22 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:22
Just saw that Leclerc said the front tyres were over 10 degrees cooler than the ideal temp? What the hell happened? Even 1 degree can make a colossal difference
Faulty blankets.

Jesus christ.

Also i rewatched Sainz crash. He lost the backend out of nowhere, after waiting for Piastri to finish the lap. Cold tyres caught him off.

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DoctorRadio wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:34
Faulty blankets.

"tyre blankets" --- how hard can it be to ensure it works properly ? It's the lowest of the low-hanging-fruits (in business parlance) , ever. Fine, so the blankets didn't heat it up. What about the race engineer looking at 'tyre temp' sensor data just before the car is allowed to leave the garage ? How many levels of screw up must happen, for a car to leave with cold tyres ?
The team somehow find ways to f**k it up when the car is working well. Otherwise the car doesn't work well. Otherwise the pit-strategy doesn't work well. All this on top of 'driver-error' which is impossible to rule out.
Operationally it's ridiculous. Tyre blankets. FFS.

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Just take new PU and thats it

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One day someone will have to write a book about Ferrari shenanigans.

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Leclerc is probably absolutely furious. He didn't even do the usual post quali video.

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Autobahn303 wrote:
21 Sep 2024, 20:05
I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos start to attack Charles early, witch will compromise the race for both.
The icing here would certainly be if they collide fighting for 8th place