Renault race-fixing at Singapore 2008

[alexbarwell]

Just to pour something high-octane on the situation, throw a box of matches to the nearest pyromaniac and retire rapidly...
Would Alonso's absence from the final standings of that race have altered the outcome of the drivers championship seeing as there was just one point in it.
Seeing as how F1 is so very good at retrospective judgement of everything that happened last year.
If anyone has posted similar comments in this thread, apologies - there are 33 pages so far!

[timbo]

I wonder whether Max has a stake at Autosport.
Read this "analysis": http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78682

[vall]

and I do hope FIA will put it {previously mentioned hard evidence] out to the public. Otherwise, the whole story is very smelly.

I suspect that Renault and the FIA have already cut a deal. Renault wants no more bad publicity. The FIA and FOM need Renault to stay in F1. (so does Williams and possibly Red Bull). It is clear that the FIA and FOM are conspiring to preserve the market value of Alonso by not pursuing his possible involvement with any great zeal. Is there a Ferrari angle here too?
[/color]

oh, well, I think this time is different and it will be hard to cover it that easily, if the NPjr tells the truth. The pressure will be high to know if that is true. People's lifes were put in danger after all and that is very serious. In the spy-gate case, it was just industrial spying and cheating that happens all the time. But again, it is FIA and everything is possible....

[tarzoon]

I wonder whether Max has a stake at Autosport.
Read this "analysis": http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78682

Somewhere in that text:

Symonds: Nelson had spoken to me the day before and suggested that. That's all I'd really like to say.

I wonder if he would do the same if he was a hunter or something, instead of a racing driver...

[mx_tifoso]

RENAULT SCANDAL LATEST: Flav has NOT resigned. He just said he was going to the loo and everyone misunderstood.

RENAULT SHOCK! FIA to investigate how Piquet managed NOT to crash until lap 13.

[Michiba]

I know what checkmate means, but you're not reading this game well! The game isn't FIA-Renault, and it's not FIA-Flav and Pat either. It's strictly FIA-Flav. Flav is tied to Renault. With nothing to stick to Flav directly, a good opportunity to throw this latest mud around has come up. That's it. Consider that if the allegation is true and the evidence so far supports it, Nelson crashed the fcking car/endangered lives/screwed the championship/bought the sport into disrepute/etc, Pat called out his laps - but they've got immunity! - and at the very worst, Flav was pissed off that he crashed - but he's out in the cold!

Totally agree. This alone made me very dubious of the allegation. I mean, you have the guy holding the smoking gun admitting that he did it, yet you give him immunity to go after someone else?

so yeah, very FIA-ish.

I suspect the move by Flav certainly leaves him open to rejoin. Had he stayed and were found guilt, he would likely be banned. Under the current circumstances, I'm not sure what sort of punishment he can receive, but would guess that it is less likely that he's banned, leaving it open for him to rejoin the team (or another team) next year.

[Ray]

Totally agree. This alone made me very dubious of the allegation. I mean, you have the guy holding the smoking gun admitting that he did it, yet you give him immunity to go after someone else?

That's why I believe the only person that should be punished is Junior. Yeah Flav threatened him to do it, and Pat helped, but Junior actually pulled the trigger. So to speak. If they had told him to do anything, it doesn't matter. He actually committed the act and should be just as severely punished as anyone else. Hopefully he won't every race professionally again.

[Pup]

But that's the way it always works - you make a deal with the small fry to get the big fish. Have you guys never watched a cop show?

[Ray]

Yes, but that's a completely wrong way to do it. It absolves responsibility for wrongdoing and only encourages it. Everyone should be punished as equals, doesn't matter if you bring down the big guy.

[Carlos]

But that's the way it always works - you make a deal with the small fry to get the big fish. Have you guys never watched a cop show?

A cop show or maybe Shakespeare:

"Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things;
Some shall be pardon'd and some punished:
For never was a story of more woe."

Romeo & Juliet

[Mr Alcatraz]

But that's the way it always works - you make a deal with the small fry to get the big fish. Have you guys never watched a cop show?

A cop show or maybe Shakespeare:

"Go hence, to have more talk of these sad things;
Some shall be pardon'd and some punished:
For never was a story of more woe."

Romeo & Juliet

Since were on the subject:

"Fool:

"He's mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf, a horse's health,
a boy's love, or a whore's oath." [-X


King Lear (III, vi, 19-21)

[Michiba]

tameness of a wolf... not sure how vindictive Flavio can be, though he may have somewhat surrendered, surely he's looking to get back at the piquets

[ISLAMATRON]

Yes, but that's a completely wrong way to do it. It absolves responsibility for wrongdoing and only encourages it. Everyone should be punished as equals, doesn't matter if you bring down the big guy.

PK was just a foot soldier, Flav was the general and the most culpable, had FLAv said HEll no, not on my watch, PK would have listened(but probably have crashed at a point much less advantageous to his teammate)

More than 1 young driver would have succumbed to the dark side, not just PK... Flav is the bad guy in all this(regardless of how many people want to point fingers at Max), and Flav seems to be getting off eas.

I for one wont miss him, or his fat ass in a thong.

[jon-mullen]

I think it's safe to assume Flav never read Hamlet:

"Cudgel thy brains no more about it, for your dull ass will not mend his pace with beating."

[bazanaius]

A little OT, but if all the manufacturers are leaving, does that mean we can drop all this 'road relevance' rubbish and start making actual racing cars again?