2024 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Luscion]

Yes, sure you were, we all believe you.

Given your grasp of physics, I maybe wouldn't try and speak for everyone. But it's not the first surprisingly bold call you've made today. You go on defining Hamilton by his race rather than his myriad achievements and a big 'Thank you' for proving my points so effectively.

Adieu, until your next reincarnation on the board

Hamilton had a poor race, he had little pace on the softs, that much so the lead two disappeared and his pace was that poor on the hards his teammate overcut him by nearly 6 seconds when it was pointed out how strong the undercut was. And to top it off he made a big mistake trying to pass Yuki which almost saw him in the wall. Being a Lewis fan I expect better and it will annoy me something rotten if Russell beats him in the championship.

How are you a lewis fan when your post history is you bashing him

[kenshi_blind]

The sheer stupidity and tales from my ass from some of the usual trolls in this thread will never cease to amaze me....
People can just post stuff with no basis and then expect other to engage them in good faith...and the moderation team is happy to let it continue (we all know things would be different if it was another team thread like .. you know which one )

[DRS]

The sheer stupidity and tales from my ass from some of the usual trolls in this thread will never cease to amaze me....
People can just post stuff with no basis and then expect other to engage them in good faith...and the moderation team is happy to let it continue (we all know things would be different if it was another team thread like .. you know which one )

No basis, the race is there for all to see. I have had a mod warning now so you're wrong. But it seems you are not allowed to call your favourite driver out when they have a poor race.

[kenshi_blind]

The sheer stupidity and tales from my ass from some of the usual trolls in this thread will never cease to amaze me....
People can just post stuff with no basis and then expect other to engage them in good faith...and the moderation team is happy to let it continue (we all know things would be different if it was another team thread like .. you know which one )

No basis, the race is there for all to see. I have had a mod warning now so you're wrong. But it seems you are not allowed to call your favourite driver out when they have a poor race.

This is exactly what I am talking about .I don't recall talking to you or about you .
My post was about the general atmosphere in the team thread ,why do you feel aggrieved by it ?
And please enlighten me, who's my favourite driver?

[Vanja #66]

Toto: We thought that the Soft tyre would give Lewis an advantage at the start but that turned out to be the wrong decision. With our challenges managing the rear surfaces, we went backwards.

How? What possible metric could have given them any indication Softs are gonna do them any good?

This level of team bs-ing themselves makes Binotto look like a no-bs, hard core realist

[DRS]

Toto: We thought that the Soft tyre would give Lewis an advantage at the start but that turned out to be the wrong decision. With our challenges managing the rear surfaces, we went backwards.

How? What possible metric could have given them any indication Softs are gonna do them any good?

This level of team bs-ing themselves makes Binotto look like a no-bs, hard core realist

There's no possible scenario in which it could have worked out. Even if by a miracle he jumped both Max & Lando he would have had to have pitted way earlier than them and would have been stuck in the pack. And, even if there was an early safety car, most would have boxed for hards just like him or stayed out, either way, he would have had status quo or worse still, been right at the back on hard tyres.

[GrizzleBoy]

Toto: We thought that the Soft tyre would give Lewis an advantage at the start but that turned out to be the wrong decision. With our challenges managing the rear surfaces, we went backwards.

How? What possible metric could have given them any indication Softs are gonna do them any good?

This level of team bs-ing themselves makes Binotto look like a no-bs, hard core realist

Gice them a break Vanja, its not as if theres multiple seasons worth of evidence at this point showing that pushing tyres to 100% at the start of a stint Will burn them out, is there?

And why WOULDNT you want to start a basically guaranteed 1 stop race on a used set of tyres with the shortest lifespan compound available?

[Luscion]

Toto: We thought that the Soft tyre would give Lewis an advantage at the start but that turned out to be the wrong decision. With our challenges managing the rear surfaces, we went backwards.

How? What possible metric could have given them any indication Softs are gonna do them any good?

This level of team bs-ing themselves makes Binotto look like a no-bs, hard core realist

Yea i dont know why they thought this at all... It seemed pretty clear the softs wasnt a good race tire, so much so Lewis didnt even have a new set to start on.

[Vanja #66]

There's no possible scenario in which it could have worked out. Even if by a miracle he jumped both Max & Lando he would have had to have pitted way earlier than them and would have been stuck in the pack. And, even if there was an early safety car, most would have boxed for hards just like him or stayed out, either way, he would have had status quo or worse still, been right at the back on hard tyres.

Exactly. They have an ocean of data, simulated and collected, to work with. They have tools that can take into account insanely small details and model them to perfection. And yet they found out with all that data starting on Softs was perfect strategy? There's a lot of people here who would have said no to Softs just by watching races this season

All of their statements are increasingly unfounded lately. Team needs to reset and while you are bs-ing yourself you can't reset... But yeah, I'm a hater for saying Wolff should stand down. Fish stinks from the head, that's just the way it is.

McLaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Sauber, VCARB, Williams, even Haas (though in their case the owner started investing more again) - all of them had issues and changed their TP to try to solve them in the last 2 years. Teams still having issues and keeping their TP? Aston Martin and Mercedes

Gice them a break Vanja, its not as if theres multiple seasons worth of evidence at this point showing that pushing tyres to 100% at the start of a stint Will burn them out, is there?

And why WOULDNT you want to start a basically guaranteed 1 stop race on a used set of tyres with the shortest lifespan compound available?

Yea i dont know why they thought this at all... It seemed pretty clear the softs wasnt a good race tire, so much so Lewis didnt even have a new set to start on.

I'm speechless, honestly... This is not the way to repay their Champ at all

[DRS]

There's no possible scenario in which it could have worked out. Even if by a miracle he jumped both Max & Lando he would have had to have pitted way earlier than them and would have been stuck in the pack. And, even if there was an early safety car, most would have boxed for hards just like him or stayed out, either way, he would have had status quo or worse still, been right at the back on hard tyres.

Exactly. They have an ocean of data, simulated and collected, to work with. They have tools that can take into account insanely small details and model them to perfection. And yet they found out with all that data starting on Softs was perfect strategy? There's a lot of people here who would have said no to Softs just by watching races this season

All of their statements are increasingly unfounded lately. Team needs to reset and while you are bs-ing yourself you can't reset... But yeah, I'm a hater for saying Wolff should stand down. Fish stinks from the head, that's just the way it is.

McLaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Sauber, VCARB, Williams, even Haas (though in their case the owner started investing more again) - all of them had issues and changed their TP to try to solve them in the last 2 years. Teams still having issues and keeping their TP? Aston Martin and Mercedes

Gice them a break Vanja, its not as if theres multiple seasons worth of evidence at this point showing that pushing tyres to 100% at the start of a stint Will burn them out, is there?

And why WOULDNT you want to start a basically guaranteed 1 stop race on a used set of tyres with the shortest lifespan compound available?

Yea i dont know why they thought this at all... It seemed pretty clear the softs wasnt a good race tire, so much so Lewis didnt even have a new set to start on.

I'm speechless, honestly... This is not the way to repay their Champ at all

I have little sympathy for Lewis, he most have agreed to the strategy, I don't know what he's thinking sometimes. If they wanted to try something different they should have started on the hards.

[Vanja #66]

I have little sympathy for Lewis, he most have agreed to the strategy, I don't know what he's thinking sometimes. If they wanted to try something different they should have started on the hards.

BS is deep within the team and showing bs data to any driver will mislead him. They are either using way too optimistic corrective factors or their models are way too unreliable. BS in, BS out, that's just the way it is

[Emag]

With things being as they are at the moment, the upgrade at Austin will be very telling for Mercedes' short-term future. If they're still lost after that, surely that's an omen for 2025 as well. That's a car which probably has been in development for a while now, but what if they were missled by their initial ill-based strides in the mid-season during the development of the 2025 car?

If Mercedes continues to be incognito on the fight at the top for the 4th year running into this regulation set, things have to change there.

[DRS]

I have little sympathy for Lewis, he most have agreed to the strategy, I don't know what he's thinking sometimes. If they wanted to try something different they should have started on the hards.

BS is deep within the team and showing bs data to any driver will mislead him. They are either using way too optimistic corrective factors or their models are way too unreliable. BS in, BS out, that's just the way it is

I don't know mate, they have always been very poor at strategy. Thankfully for us Lewis fans, Ferrari appear to have improved in that department with Vasseur in charge.

[Hammerfist]

Toto: We thought that the Soft tyre would give Lewis an advantage at the start but that turned out to be the wrong decision. With our challenges managing the rear surfaces, we went backwards.

How? What possible metric could have given them any indication Softs are gonna do them any good?

This level of team bs-ing themselves makes Binotto look like a no-bs, hard core realist

I think it was discussed earlier but they must have thought the race leader would drive off the pace a la Monaco for example. Problem is Lando decided he wanted to embarrass Max and Redbull and he pullled away at an alarming rate. So starting on softs became an idiotic decision. They could have survived if lando drove at snail pace though.

[SKYnRacing24]

With things being as they are at the moment, the upgrade at Austin will be very telling for Mercedes' short-term future. If they're still lost after that, surely that's an omen for 2025 as well. That's a car which probably has been in development for a while now, but what if they were missled by their initial ill-based strides in the mid-season during the development of the 2025 car?

If Mercedes continues to be incognito on the fight at the top for the 4th year running into this regulation set, things have to change there.

Nicely said Emag, The fact they have gone down a blind alley and this car has become undrivable is quite worrying (and this being a Ham fan but want to see Russell do well). It will be interesting to see the characteristics of the W16. Ultimately this car doesn't have good traits. The race pace is one highlight that i thought would be a strength of the W15 but hasn't transpired on most weekends and when it does its because of specific track conditions and tyres. If they do a 22/23 situation again then the nails are in the coffin.

Someone mentioned a months back if this was any other TP they would of been fired by now. Toto being a shareholder could be the catalyst but im just speculating of course. The Austin Upgrade will be the last bullet in the chamber for this year and potentially next. Theres alot riding on this so it will be a stressful period for everyone involved, I hope we can have a good end to the season but the strategic incompetence on display for Lewis today really left a bitter taste in my mouth.

How comes us armchair viewers can read the race or strategy better in more ways than one. Some of us have live timing and can see the race developing in real time yet these guys on the pitwall,engineers and people back at base are not making logical decisions, it really is weird, This is the pinnacle of motorsport but sometimes it looks so amateur.