2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Then don't feed them. There's a lot more joy to be had from this fantastic renaissance of McLaren if we don't engage people that only come here to needle. Remember - we are now winners, they are whiners.

That is true but I can't help it. They are pissing me off sometimes.

[ispano6]

Michael Andretti is expected to be stepping down as CEO of Andretti Global and interestingly, Zak Brown, CEO of McLaren, has joined the board of directors for Andretti Acquisition Corp. II.

A small footnote in a larger scheme of things? Or the beginning of a junior team coalition?

[Darth-Piekus]

Does that mean a B team of our own?

[PapayaFan481]

What is trumpisms ?

Fake news and haters, and other words of polarism, to describe people, opinions and facts that you don't like. So instead of arguing the point and using reason, you just label things instead, which conveys some unmentioned fact or reason that is implied but may not exist or is highly vague.

Do you mean fake news like CNN and MSM outlets ? I heard ESPN is very bad...

Now THAT is a Trumpism....

But we should stop this discussion here, or we'll risk breaking the ban on politics.

[venkyhere]

Mclaren had a competitive car for wins after Miami but the Red Bull car was still slightly better. Even with the second upgrade package in Hungaroring the car was far from dominant. Except Singapore, Hungaroring and Zadvoort the car had competition from Ferrari or Mercedes.

I am quoting only a portion of the post, because opinions about drivers are exactly that - opinions. Everyone has one, and it's no one's place to question the opinion of another, as it's all subjective.

But the quoted portion above, is simply incorrect.
With Miami upgrade, the Mclaren became the fastest car. The wins in Imola, Canada, Spain for Redbull were NOT because it was the faster car. The only place where the Mclaren was 'beaten for pace' was in Baku (despite Mclaren winning), because it's a tailor made Ferrari track. Otherwise, without an iota of doubt, the Mclaren has been the fastest car (even in Spa) since Miami.

[Darth-Piekus]

That is extremely debatable and in my opinion you are incorect. The car was only the fastest by far in Zandvoort, Hungaroring and Singapore. Nowhere else you mentioned it had the capacity to be dominant for an easy win like Red Bull's car of the last two years.

[mwillems]

I am quoting only a portion of the post, because opinions about drivers are exactly that - opinions. Everyone has one, and it's no one's place to question the opinion of another, as it's all subjective.

But the quoted portion above, is simply incorrect.
With Miami upgrade, the Mclaren became the fastest car. The wins in Imola, Canada, Spain for Redbull were NOT because it was the faster car. The only place where the Mclaren was 'beaten for pace' was in Baku (despite Mclaren winning), because it's a tailor made Ferrari track. Otherwise, without an iota of doubt, the Mclaren has been the fastest car (even in Spa) since Miami.

Not fast enough that circumstances can't give the win to someone else. It's just that when those circumstances were in control of the driver or strategy team and not events out of our control then it becomes frustrating.

You do have to bear in mind that yes, we are closing in.on the WCC, but only because of a poorly scoring Red Bull driver. If Perez had performed better then our mistakes would also potentially cost us the WCC too.

[Darth-Piekus]

Have in mind though that a driver who could perform better than Perez might have costed Max points on the other hand.

[mwillems]

Have in mind though that a driver who could perform better than Perez might have costed Max points on the other hand.

It would likely have cost our drivers much more and put the team quite far behind Red Bull even today.

[ScottR267]

That is extremely debatable and in my opinion you are incorect. The car was only the fastest by far in Zandvoort, Hungaroring and Singapore. Nowhere else you mentioned it had the capacity to be dominant for an easy win like Red Bull's car of the last two years.

Your McLaren bias at times is off the scale hilarious. Most people here commenting are McLaren fans however you do need some realism also.

If you’re faster than the competition you’re faster, it doesn’t matter if it’s by a small amount of ‘by far’. Having a ‘dominant’ car of course helps the assessment of course.

However if Red Bull had a small margin of lead pace wise over McLaren you’d be all over it saying their car is still faster then McLarens

[Darth-Piekus]

Its not me who needs some realism but others. Apart from the 3 GPs which Mclaren was dominant all weekend I never saw anywhere else the car being faster and no taking pole doesnt mean you will be faster on the race.

[CjC]

I am quoting only a portion of the post, because opinions about drivers are exactly that - opinions. Everyone has one, and it's no one's place to question the opinion of another, as it's all subjective.

But the quoted portion above, is simply incorrect.
With Miami upgrade, the Mclaren became the fastest car. The wins in Imola, Canada, Spain for Redbull were NOT because it was the faster car. The only place where the Mclaren was 'beaten for pace' was in Baku (despite Mclaren winning), because it's a tailor made Ferrari track. Otherwise, without an iota of doubt, the Mclaren has been the fastest car (even in Spa) since Miami.

Not fast enough that circumstances can't give the win to someone else. It's just that when those circumstances were in control of the driver or strategy team and not events out of our control then it becomes frustrating.

You do have to bear in mind that yes, we are closing in.on the WCC, but only because of a poorly scoring Red Bull driver. If Perez had performed better then our mistakes would also potentially cost us the WCC too.

True and not to insult your intelligence, but that’s not ours or Mclarens fault. It’s a Red Bull issue and has been for many, many seasons, my memory doesn’t serve me well for the 2021 WCC season but considering how close Merc and Red Bull were you can argue Perez cost them that WCC.

One could argue that McLaren pulled some shady moves to get Piastri but they wanted him and made sure they got him and they are currently reaping that benefit.

Red Bull pull some shady moves too by dropping drivers mid season which seems to be a strategy that isn’t playing out too well for them- although Lawson might prove me wrong.

If their poor driver recruitment is letting McLaren off the hook in WCC then is it a case of who’s mistake is the smallest rather than one team excelling over the other?

As the old saying goes, you can only beat the opposition in front of you

[BMMR61]

I am quoting only a portion of the post, because opinions about drivers are exactly that - opinions. Everyone has one, and it's no one's place to question the opinion of another, as it's all subjective.

But the quoted portion above, is simply incorrect.
With Miami upgrade, the Mclaren became the fastest car. The wins in Imola, Canada, Spain for Redbull were NOT because it was the faster car. The only place where the Mclaren was 'beaten for pace' was in Baku (despite Mclaren winning), because it's a tailor made Ferrari track. Otherwise, without an iota of doubt, the Mclaren has been the fastest car (even in Spa) since Miami.

Not fast enough that circumstances can't give the win to someone else. It's just that when those circumstances were in control of the driver or strategy team and not events out of our control then it becomes frustrating.

You do have to bear in mind that yes, we are closing in.on the WCC, but only because of a poorly scoring Red Bull driver. If Perez had performed better then our mistakes would also potentially cost us the WCC too.

True and not to insult your intelligence, but that’s not ours or Mclarens fault. It’s a Red Bull issue and has been for many, many seasons, my memory doesn’t serve me well for the 2021 WCC season but considering how close Merc and Red Bull were you can argue Perez cost them that WCC.

One could argue that McLaren pulled some shady moves to get Piastri but they wanted him and made sure they got him and they are currently reaping that benefit.

Red Bull pull some shady moves too by dropping drivers mid season which seems to be a strategy that isn’t playing out too well for them- although Lawson might prove me wrong.

If their poor driver recruitment is letting McLaren off the hook in WCC then is it a case of who’s mistake is the smallest rather than one team excelling over the other?

As the old saying goes, you can only beat the opposition in front of you

Come on! The "shady" moves you refer to were largely the work of Mark Webber getting his future an F1 drive. The handwringing by Renault and so many others who should know better is nauseating.
FACT - Piastri was a Renault Academy driver since F3.
FACT - After winning a European and two World titles in consecutive years Piastri was benched by Renault.
FACT - Renault didn't even give Piastri an FP! outing.
FACT - Piastri was not given any assurance of any F1 contract for 2023 after having no drive for a year, until
he was signed by McLaren after studying the contractual situation.

The Contracts Recognition Board were unequivocal. Piastri was NOT signed to Renault. If you look at the sh#*@y way Renault conducted their business there's an easy way to see they were NEGLIGENT. With the prospect of taking a second year on the bench was it any wonder Webber did the deal? McLaren's offer showed FAR MORE confidence in Piastri than the lame "may lease him to Williams" alternatives. I'm surprised there are serious people seriously questioning the action, let alone questioning McLaren. Has Piastri shown he deserved better than what Renault had for him? To my eyes, the early elevation of Antonelli to F1 and the hysteria around him is a bit over the top but I'll wait and see if it was justified.

[CjC]

Hey I’m not questioning McLaren at all about the move my friend.

Renault fumbled a huge asset and McLaren picked up the pieces.
If anything I wanted my post to celebrate the fact that McLaren took a punt on Piastri and secured his services by any means whilst Red Bull drop drivers mid season at will- it’s no surprise they are struggling to find a driver to get anywhere near Verstappen.

My reference to ‘shady’ was a nod to Danny Ric and his fans considering he still had a contract for 2023 if I remember correctly?

[mwillems]

I am quoting only a portion of the post, because opinions about drivers are exactly that - opinions. Everyone has one, and it's no one's place to question the opinion of another, as it's all subjective.

But the quoted portion above, is simply incorrect.
With Miami upgrade, the Mclaren became the fastest car. The wins in Imola, Canada, Spain for Redbull were NOT because it was the faster car. The only place where the Mclaren was 'beaten for pace' was in Baku (despite Mclaren winning), because it's a tailor made Ferrari track. Otherwise, without an iota of doubt, the Mclaren has been the fastest car (even in Spa) since Miami.

Not fast enough that circumstances can't give the win to someone else. It's just that when those circumstances were in control of the driver or strategy team and not events out of our control then it becomes frustrating.

You do have to bear in mind that yes, we are closing in.on the WCC, but only because of a poorly scoring Red Bull driver. If Perez had performed better then our mistakes would also potentially cost us the WCC too.

True and not to insult your intelligence, but that’s not ours or Mclarens fault. It’s a Red Bull issue and has been for many, many seasons, my memory doesn’t serve me well for the 2021 WCC season but considering how close Merc and Red Bull were you can argue Perez cost them that WCC.

One could argue that McLaren pulled some shady moves to get Piastri but they wanted him and made sure they got him and they are currently reaping that benefit.

Red Bull pull some shady moves too by dropping drivers mid season which seems to be a strategy that isn’t playing out too well for them- although Lawson might prove me wrong.

If their poor driver recruitment is letting McLaren off the hook in WCC then is it a case of who’s mistake is the smallest rather than one team excelling over the other?

As the old saying goes, you can only beat the opposition in front of you

No it isn't our fault, but in terms of the context of what the team and drivers are doing, it is worth bearing in mind. I'll take it, because it's all part of the Red Bull implosion. But if Red Bull weren't imploding and they could have replaced Perez, then there's a good chance they'd be taking the WCC too. But fortune has smiled on us in that regards, thanks to Christian "Horny" Horner, otherwise those mistakes would be costing us in the WCC too.

Not sure we did anything shady, we got Piastri fair and square. He didn't have a seat and we gave him one, turned out pretty well for us lol But shadiness aside, points on the board does not reflect the two cars comparative competitiveness over the season because we have 2 drivers pulling in the good points and not one. Just like when we finished ahead of Tracing Point due to their one day WDC hopeful, Lance Stroll.