Ferrari SF-24

[Sevach]

Has anyone seen if it flexes?

An ok amount from an onboard with Carlos.

Hard to judge on this track where we don't have many 330 to 100 breaking zones.

[KimiRai]

[Vanja #66]

The best, most relevant photo comparison of Imola (used in Monaco and Hungary) and Singapore spec flaps. Note the new downward tapering of the fixed top flap element on the nose, previously completely flat



Full article https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... -molto-piu

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

Has anyone seen if it flexes?

Here you can see it a bit
https://x.com/AnaFerrariHeart/status/18 ... ImOPA&s=19

[Sevach]

The best, most relevant photo comparison of Imola (used in Monaco and Hungary) and Singapore spec flaps. Note the new downward tapering of the fixed top flap element on the nose, previously completely flat

https://storage.googleapis.com/fp-media ... gapore.jpg

Full article https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... -molto-piu

A lot more aggressive in the middle.
I don't think there's less surface at any point, this wing drops more aggressively from it's highest point, but once it "catches up" to the old one it switches to gentle linear drop, similar to the old one.

[sucof]

The best, most relevant photo comparison of Imola (used in Monaco and Hungary) and Singapore spec flaps. Note the new downward tapering of the fixed top flap element on the nose, previously completely flat

https://storage.googleapis.com/fp-media ... gapore.jpg

Full article https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-ana ... -molto-piu

To me it seems even the nose has a new shape, kind of flatter and more pointy. I am not sure if it is because of the different lighting though.

[Vanja #66]

To me it seems even the nose has a new shape, kind of flatter and more pointy. I am not sure if it is because of the different lighting though.

I see what you mean, but it really is just different light reflections. I don't think they have too much room to change the nose cover shape, crash structure underneath is very close to it

[bluechris]

Now with the onboards, if you see MCLaren front wing flexing and you compare it with the new Ferrari one you will see that Ferrari compresses a lot less. They have to much left on the table on this for sure but at least they started to use it.

[Emag]

Now with the onboards, if you see MCLaren front wing flexing and you compare it with the new Ferrari one you will see that Ferrari compresses a lot less. They have to much left on the table on this for sure but at least they started to use it.

I don't think that's the case, but the outboard (the part which is most visible on onboards), is a lot less loaded on the Ferrari wing compared to McLaren's wing so you see less movement.

It could be that they can't run a wing that is similar to McLaren's because it might be messing up the flow downstream. They have had a less-loaded outboard section all-season so I wouldn't be surprised if the platform works at best with the wing like that.

[Andi76]

The transition tip of the 4th flap (mid span) is seriously cranked up, leaves an impression of a section that might get substantial local separation but it's highly unlikely. There might be some cross flow there, inwash on the bottom and outwash on top

https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... detai.webp

https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... detai.webp

For some reason, there was a lot of flow vis on the rear, it doesn't look like there's anything new, but there may be some subtle beam wing changes. Looks to me like the tips of the second element are smaller now, very subtle change.

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... sf-24.webp

Interesting pictures here
In the first picture (supposedly new on the stand) - the top flap has the carbon fibres arranged horizontally and the second one vertically
In the second picture (old) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged horizontally
In the last picture (supposedly new but on track) - both top flaps have the carbon fibres arranged vertically.

I guess they are really trying things out to achieve the flexibility they need.

That's not fibre direction, what you see as grey and black is twill reflection. Fibres are actually under slightly different angles on 4th flaps, while 3rd flap is almost the same

The "curl" at the end of the front wing is somewhat reminiscent of the end plate extensions used in the early 1990s and certainly has a similar purpose with regard to the front wheel wake, albeit in a different form as its in a different position.

[hollus]

Some enormously long posts that were about flexing wings in general, and not about this car, have been moved to their obvious home thread.

A reminder to please make the extra effort to keep the car threads on topic.

[Vanja #66]

Excellent illustration of new wing from Rosario Giuliana



10 days later, found a late-season photo of final SF23 front wing (Mexico-spec, ie same as Singapore). Seems like a back-to-the-future moment for Ferrari, but with bigger planform area



Joking aside, the similarity is very high and I'm not sure what the hell happened in the winter for them to give up on this apporach, only tocome back to it now. My best guess - another one of Cardille's many conservative choices

[FDD]

The flow vis was there for a good reason in FP1, Ferrari's running Monza beam wing in Baku (top is Baku, bottom is Monza photo). Unlike Spa, where they ran the typical single-element BW first used in Jeddah, which seems to confirm their latest direction - to focus on making the floor run without stressing the flow too much, or even well within its "comfort zone." Ever since Miami, McLaren's been running their car with smaller beam wing than others and often times chose less load on tracks where you can still combine two different load levels - and always seemed to be able to run softer than RB and Ferrari - so seems like Ferrari finally caught up

https://i.ibb.co/k0J1MLw/bak-sai-bw.jpg

Lazy to look for Spa BW, so my question is Monza/Baku single element BW was more unloaded comparing to one they used in Spa/Jeddah?

[Vanja #66]

Lazy to look for Spa BW, so my question is Monza/Baku single element BW was more unloaded comparing to one they used in Spa/Jeddah?

Yes, Monza/Vegas BW was always smaller than what was used on other tracks, until Baku this year. This is Spa bellow, not a huge difference (Jeddah/Spa spec has a small rise mid-span and Monza is flat there), but it exists. I think it's more about floor interaction and how much it influences diffuser, rather than the difference between two BWs alone

[FDD]

Lazy to look for Spa BW, so my question is Monza/Baku single element BW was more unloaded comparing to one they used in Spa/Jeddah?

Yes, Monza/Vegas BW was always smaller than what was used on other tracks, until Baku this year. This is Spa bellow, not a huge difference (Jeddah/Spa spec has a small rise mid-span and Monza is flat there), but it exists. I think it's more about floor interaction and how much it influences diffuser, rather than the difference between two BWs alone

https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... sf-24.webp

That is to say a bit more loaded BW is creating lower pressure region above the diffuser working it harder ie generating more DF which on other side dictated stiffer suspension to keep proper height, if I am connecting all these stuff correctly