Renault race-fixing at Singapore 2008

[vall]

His cheating cost someone other than himself a championship quite likely.

I agree, the WDC was Massa's without that

[Giblet]

And also, Mclaren _is_ Ron Dennis. Renault if not Flavio. The FIA must think the Renault board had nothing to do with this, which is quite likely, and underserving of a fine. Firing Flav and Pat was the right thing to do.

[Rob W]

Is life returning to normal there now that the fookin' prawns have left?

I watched that again yesterday. What a great movie!

[bazanaius]

Is life returning to normal there now that the fookin' prawns have left?

I watched that again yesterday. What a great movie!

Saw it last night - good stuff. I heard the main character didn't have a script - ad libbed the whole thing?!

[PNSD]

modbaraban, what is the difference between what Neslon did and what Schumacher did in 94 and 97? Apart from the fact that Schumacher got another driver involved in his incidents? They could have been much worse, as with Nelson, could have been much worse but they werent.

I think MS's case was even worse. Much worse.

PS: back to the Renault case. Were they excluded from the results of the rigged race? It seems like the 1st logical thing to do, if a competitor found guilty.

Agreed, and in that case if Schumacher failed to recieve punishment and Piquet did get somekind of punishment it would be wrong.

Diesel - Mclaren's case was totally different

First of all they straight out lied to the world council, which is why they got the fine in the first place.

Secondly , there was evidence to suggest more people were involved with the Mclaren incident than Ron and others had let on, whereas with the Renault case, there was no evidence at all to suggest it went further than Flavio, Pat or Nelson.

If it is later found that more people knew about it than thought expect the same punishment as Mclaren, but I still stand by my comments, the jobs 600 people should not be comramised because of just 3. With Mclaren it was alot more than 3 people involved. There were several drivers and engineers and Ron himself. Like has been mentioned the Ron is Mclaren. Flavio is not Renault.

[ISLAMATRON]

So now, even with all the evidence, & PK jr's & PS's confessions, and Renault's admission of guilt we still have people on these boards that claim it is all a conspiracy by Max to get Flav... and that Flav is totally innocent.

And I am the unreasonable one?

[timbo]

So now, even with all the evidence, & PK jr's & PS's confessions, and Renault's admission of guilt we still have people on these boards that claim it is all a conspiracy by Max to get Flav... and that Flav is totally innocent.

Evidence of what?

[ISLAMATRON]

Start reading from page 1 of this thread and find out for yourself.

[timbo]

Start reading from page 1 of this thread and find out for yourself.

Really?

[ISLAMATRON]

Start reading from page 1 of this thread and find out for yourself.

Really?

Exactly

[timbo]

Start reading from page 1 of this thread and find out for yourself.

Really?

Exactly

What for?

[ISLAMATRON]

Ayrton Senna openly admits to be prepared to take Alain Prost out before the race has started.

Once the lights go green, Senna duly delivers, and takes Prost out in a 150 mph shunt.

Senna is not repremanded for the incident, and becomes the world champion as a direct result of the pre-mediated crash.



Yet today, the WMSC have the face to say:

"The council considers Renault F1's breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity."



WHAT THE F**K ARE THEY SMOKING?!?!?!

He never admitted it at the time it was not until a tearful admission much later. The following year it at Suzuka actually. Also, keep in mind the year before it was the other way around, Prost turned into Senna when he went to pass, and tried to take them both out. It was this incident that made Senna think he was in the right for doing it back.

It was more a tit for tat thing, and the very late admission of guilt made was made all a bit too late. Besides, the FIA knew he was doing far more good for the sport than bad.

So yes, "Race Fixing", which is different than taking your teammate out. Senna was himself acting alone, if it was preplanned and and talked about it would have been a different story. Besides, where else would Schumi have learned to ram so well if Senna hadn't trailblazed the way

Actually, as you stated Prost "trailblazed" the way... And Senna didnt not ram Prost, he merely kept his line and refused to lift, as opposed to Prost & MS who actually changed direction to cause contact into their opponents. Had Prost not driven into Senna's line in 1990 I doubt they would have ever touched... or maybe Senna would have rammed him later on.

[vall]

have you read Piquet's latest statement? The guy still wants back in F1 So, eh thinks Flav is to blame for his 17 out of 27 crashes? In recent years we have how many more new guys? Vettel, Buemi, Grosjean, Heikki, Jamie? 5? Did they in total crashes 17 times? I doub't it.

oh eyah, missed Rosberf, Nakajima & Hamilton

[ISLAMATRON]

His cheating cost someone other than himself a championship quite likely.

I agree, the WDC was Massa's without that

Massa's Pitstop was not fouled because of PK's crash... remember FErrari had problem with the lighting system way before Singapore.

Whether or not PK crashed, Massa was going to have to come in for fuel at some point, dragging that fuel hose was his destiny

[i70q7m7ghw]

I refuse to believe it was only Braitore, Symonds and the Piquet(s) who knew about the entire goings on. Your telling me no one else witnessed Briatore’s treatment of Nelson? Nobody had even a suspicion something wrong had happened? All of Nelson's engineers would have seen that telemetry and instantly known something was wrong.

IMO - 2 people have been made an example of, and rightly so, but alot more have been left unpunished.