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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mclar ... /10664055/The squad has denied this but has conceded that as part of ongoing dialogue, it has agreed to make changes to its entire range of wings, including the one that will be used in Austin.
It is understood that this involves modifications to the upper element to stop it from flexing, as well as a narrowing of the slot gap.
"We issued after Singapore some communication about rear wings, saying what we would consider acceptable or not acceptable," explained Tombazis. "Two or three teams had to make some small tweaks to adjust to that."
It is not confirmed which other teams had to make changes as a response to the FIA guidance, but sources suggest that all of 2024's race-winning outfits have been under the spotlight for potentially pushing the limit of the rules with regard to rear wing flexing.
It's about time that all calm down a bit and focus on the action on track instead of all these mindgames.While McLaren's 'mini-DRS' wing fully complied with the regulations and was legal at all times, Tombazis did reveal that the FIA's ultimate conclusion was that it was not happy with the design.
Asked whether the team would have been reported for a rules breach if it had continued to use mini-DRS, Tombazis said: "Yes, we would have, because we specifically gave a warning to them.
"We said, 'Look, we consider that as something you need to change.' If they had ignored us, and they generally don't, then we would have reported them."
That'll be why Zak's deflecting the issue from his own back yard and spouting complete nonsense about other teams. He was even going on about getting RBR staff to sign a affidavit to say they never used the bib device. Get a grip of yourself Zak.lio007 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2024, 20:21It's cheeky to act as if you're the team that's above it all but would now breaching the regulations.It's about time that all calm down a bit and focus on the action on track instead of all these mindgames.While McLaren's 'mini-DRS' wing fully complied with the regulations and was legal at all times, Tombazis did reveal that the FIA's ultimate conclusion was that it was not happy with the design.
Asked whether the team would have been reported for a rules breach if it had continued to use mini-DRS, Tombazis said: "Yes, we would have, because we specifically gave a warning to them.
"We said, 'Look, we consider that as something you need to change.' If they had ignored us, and they generally don't, then we would have reported them."
Mate, could I bother you for some onboards of front wings of Ferrari and Merc in Austin race? In clean air, if possible at all
Efin legend!
Awesome stuff, thanks a lot! Ferrari wing seems to be more flexible at slightly lower speeds than it was in Singapore, but overall total flex looks about the same (and not that far from McLaren). Mercedes "new" wing is still a flappyti-flap noodle wing and as long as they keep it they won't fix their issuesRB20 is optimally balanced in high speed corners by design, I'm not sure if they can get a big benefit in slow-speed with such a stiff front end in any case. Their latest front wing has its adjuster back outboard for a while and there is some amount of flexing included already.
I think you can not copy the main effect of the movement we see at all:Vanja #66 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2024, 09:58Efin legend!
RB20 is optimally balanced in high speed corners by design, I'm not sure if they can get a big benefit in slow-speed with such a stiff front end in any case. Their latest front wing has its adjuster back outboard for a while and there is some amount of flexing included already.
Both sides of flexible flaps are on the same pressure side - the fixed end near the nose and the adjustable end that flexes. Top side is pressure, lower side is suction. There is no discrete chord length change that can innitiate a vortex. Mercedes made a very loose interpretation of flap size, continuity and other geometric rules to form a discrete sharp edge on 4th flap that can shed a vortex.basti313 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2024, 13:37I think you can not copy the main effect of the movement we see at all:
They generate a vortex by the step in the wing at low speed. What they seal off with it would be interesting. They simply designed the wing to flex to an even shape, removing the (strong) vortex once at high speed to remove the according drag. The main movement we see is basically a "switch".
One of the most puzzling things to me that this is counted legal. I mean...they even have metal guiding plates to guide the movement of a part, that is not allowed to move. But in the end I think this is quite simple, but can not be copied without the complete picture of what they do with thit vortex.
In terms of flexing the more interesting part is that they all move to paper thin upper wing plates. You can barely see it on the video, but my interpretation is, that they flatten at high speed, loosing the curvature. I think on the Ferrari one can see this better, it really gets a different curvature at top speed.
They also do not paint this part at all. Just McLaren uses a sticker in some part and keeps on replacing this sticker from track to track.