2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

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Just a reminder:

- There is a race thread from last weekend

- There is an overtaking rule thread from last weekend

Please, stick to papaya things in here.
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_cerber1 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 20:18
Andrea Stella confirms more updates are incoming
Speaking after an underwhelming US GP, Andrea Stella explained that more upgrades are on the way:
“I think the next circuit should be a little bit more suitable to the characteristics of our car,” he told the media in Texas.
“We also have to keep developing the car. Like here, we took some developments at the front of the car.
“But they were nothing too large in terms of potential lap-time impact.
“We have a couple more things that are coming in the next two races. We will see if we are in condition to alter the competitiveness of the car.”


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Hopefully the upgrades will give us again the edge to repeat a Singapore.

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dialtone wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 20:08

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I disagree with this view partially. Certainly McLaren prefers to finish races with both cars, but right now they are in front the WCC and aside from Max, Perez is rarely in the high points now. Ferrari is looming but still 40+ points behind.

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McLaren do need to be aware of the threat in the WCC from Ferrari. They may be 48 points behind McLaren, but they have had the pace to challenge McLaren for several races now.

If Ferrari were to score another 1-2 and even if McLaren finish 3-4, that is 43 points to 27 points, dropping the gap to 32 points. A McLaren DNF whilst a Ferrari wins severely cuts that gap.

Yes McLaren are now the favourites for the WCC, but Ferrari are a very real threat. Let's not forget, Ferrari also haven't won a championship of either flavour since 2008.
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PapayaFan481 wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 22:38
dialtone wrote:
23 Oct 2024, 20:08

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I disagree with this view partially. Certainly McLaren prefers to finish races with both cars, but right now they are in front the WCC and aside from Max, Perez is rarely in the high points now. Ferrari is looming but still 40+ points behind.

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McLaren do need to be aware of the threat in the WCC from Ferrari. They may be 48 points behind McLaren, but they have had the pace to challenge McLaren for several races now.

If Ferrari were to score another 1-2 and even if McLaren finish 3-4, that is 43 points to 27 points, dropping the gap to 32 points. A McLaren DNF whilst a Ferrari wins severely cuts that gap.

Yes McLaren are now the favourites for the WCC, but Ferrari are a very real threat. Let's not forget, Ferrari also haven't won a championship of either flavour since 2008.
Yeah, on the WCC front while McLaren have a very good shot at the title, it's far from certain.

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Looks like it's safe to enter the water here! Now the off-topic ranting and whinging is...... over/deferred till next week?

Interesting to see some news faces making reasonable contributions, even if contrary to my own views, that's good forum fodder. I had mentioned after Austin that (by some measure) Lando appeared to be fully in front entering the braking zone for the infamous turn 12 debacle. And it was a debacle - witness the widespread criticism of rules and lesser criticism of race stewards. So in an ideal, or better world what should have happened?

Max was the attacking driver into the turn and used his knowledge of the rule on APEX to concoct a view. Note I aren't deriding Max, he worked to the rules as he saw it and it's hard to argue on that basis. Second factor is a thing called leaving the track, as opposed to not forcing a competitor off the track. I believe that this second "forcing off track" rule should be given primacy over Apex which is very arbitrary and hard to judge. In this instance Max couldn't keep his car inside track limits and in the corner was travelling MUCH faster than Lando - as is always the case in "divebombing".

So how could the rules have been written or prioritised or interpreted differently to come up with an outcome that seemed more fair - not just to McLaren fans??? Rule change - forcing off is taken as a primary and precedent offence to most others. Interpretation of attacking/defending car - a car that loses it's lead on the straight is no longer the defender. Ways to measure "overtaken" - clear footage from track cams and/or onboards, and micro-sector info if it can intervene. I think it is uncontroversial to say Lando had gained a car length advantage by the braking zone.

Finally, the stewards/chief steward should be responsible for more detailed reports pertaining to their penalties and non penalties. Judges in a court often provide detailed and lengthy statements regarding precedent, burden of proof etc. If the part-time nature of all or some of these stewards is an issue, fix it - full time stewards will provide more consistent decisions. In rugby union they became very prescriptive in rules and it ruined (to me) the spectacle, AND interpretation by officials still was a factor. APEX is such an unconvincing rule it should be rethought. My report would have read "car 4 made the overtake on car 1 before the corner and therefore became the defender", the rest follows - inside car forcing the other off, then "gaining a place" becomes a non-issue.

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Good interview with Stella here: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-st ... /10665788/

Some quotes:
"The aerodynamic package brought to Austria was achieved with the same infrastructure that was available in previous years, we did not yet have the new wind tunnel and new CFD systems for aerodynamic development, there was no new composite materials department, as well as no new simulator. Well, the same people were able to produce a major leap in performance. "The upgrades in infrastructure came after the close of 2023, so the subsequent development in Singapore was also studied and carried out with the methodologies, tools and people who up to a certain point in the previous season had not been able to put a competitive car on the track."
Pretty much what we already knew but it's good to definitively know the timeline and that none of the new infrastructure benefited the '23 car.

In the first five races you paid a 99-point gap to Red Bull. What couldn't you focus on at the beginning of the season?
"There is a very rational explanation. The upgrades we brought in Austria and Singapore 2023 allowed us to close a huge performance gap, about a second, but in order to do that we used a lot of the gasoline we had in the tank at the knowledge level, and that had an impact on the 'launch' car for the 2024 season. If we take the Red Bull example, we see that during 2023 they brought less development to the track, so they accumulated a lot of ideas and knowledge that was poured into the 2024 car. The evaluation of a team's development should be observed over a long enough period to overcome these fluctuations, which also depend on when new things are brought to the track."

Didn't any alarms sound after the first five races of the season?
"There was no concern, when we put the 2024 launch car on the track, noting that Ferrari and Mercedes over the winter had made a bigger leap forward than ours, we didn't worry too much. We were actually the fourth force in the field, but at the same time we saw in the development going on in the background that we kept improving, and when it came time to bring the updates to the track, on the Miami weekend, we made the leap forward that we expected."
So much for the reporting that McLaren were surprised by how good the upgrades were. I never believed this narrative anyway. With how successful they have been it seemed obvious to me they were delivering what McLaren intended and expected.

"At this stage of the season, it is clear that the 2024 program is basically closed, this does not mean that we will not see new things for the next races, but the development program is finished. The activity of most of the team has shifted to the 2025 project, but at the same time, as the work in the wind tunnel and CFD for the 2026 car will start from January 2, there will be phase an advance of work to allow us next January 2 to press the green button and start the development work. This is what happens in a Formula 1 team, I must say that it is easier now than a month ago, when we had three strands of development happening under one roof, as work on the current single-seater was still operational."
How much did the controversy over the Baku wing bother you?

"Our wings complied with the technical regulations and passed all the flexibility checks in place, at the same time we had conversations with the International Federation receiving all the appropriate reassurances. Of course we read a lot of comments in the media, opinions that came mainly from our opponents, not necessarily from journalists, and certain articles seemed to be a vehicle to spread the word [of] some of our opponents on the track."
He says that all the focus on their wings is psychological warfare from their opponents attempting to put the team in a bad light, which to a certain extent has worked, I think.

He also talked about driver management and an English version of those quotes can be found here: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... /10665836/

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Cheap theater from Marco. Oscar has no reason to go to Red Bull, especially since the team is losing specialists, going there would be shooting himself in the foot.

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I've seen that they told Oscar to slow down on the last lap and he let off the gas so he doesn't end up ahead of Lando after the penalty. That is good teamwork. Good job Oscar, good job team for making the call and informing him in time. A shame the rules allow Verstappen to run people off otherwise it would be P3 and P4 for McLaren.

I'm still very optimistic for the season. People are highly reactive and as soon as one team does well on a track, they extrapolate that to the end of the season. So right now they are on the Ferrari hype train while a week ago everyone was on McLaren 1s ahead hype train. I think it will be close to the end of the season but McLaren with upgrades and more time to setup and understand the car should do well.

If anything, having a resurgent Ferrari may be a blessing for Lando title hopes. To win the WDC he needs for Verstappen to lose a lot of points. Having Ferrari in the mix allows that opportunity. It will have to be hard fought on track but if it ends up dropping Max to P5 the opportunity is there.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
24 Oct 2024, 12:20
I've seen that they told Oscar to slow down on the last lap and he let off the gas so he doesn't end up ahead of Lando after the penalty. That is good teamwork. Good job Oscar, good job team for making the call and informing him in time. A shame the rules allow Verstappen to run people off otherwise it would be P3 and P4 for McLaren.

I'm still very optimistic for the season. People are highly reactive and as soon as one team does well on a track, they extrapolate that to the end of the season. So right now they are on the Ferrari hype train while a week ago everyone was on McLaren 1s ahead hype train. I think it will be close to the end of the season but McLaren with upgrades and more time to setup and understand the car should do well.

If anything, having a resurgent Ferrari may be a blessing for Lando title hopes. To win the WDC he needs for Verstappen to lose a lot of points. Having Ferrari in the mix allows that opportunity. It will have to be hard fought on track but if it ends up dropping Max to P5 the opportunity is there.
I'm surprised they didn't pit Oscar for fastest lap, he had enough of a gap to retain position

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As a warm up for the weekend, who else remembers this YouTube gem of a Mclaren video?



P.S Video is out of date obviously.
Формула 1 на Македонски - The first ever Macedonian Formula 1 YouTube channel
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deargodhelpme wrote:
24 Oct 2024, 05:06
So much for the reporting that McLaren were surprised by how good the upgrades were. I never believed this narrative anyway.
The reporting that came directly from the mouth of Mclaren? lol

Also, of course they're going to deflect on the issue of flexiwings and the advantage it gives them. Every team in their situation would do the same, even if they know they are taking the mick. Come on now, dont be so naive. They were very lucky the FIA did not introduce harder deflection tests mid-season, as they would have been completely entitled to do, and for good reason. Mclaren's front wing flexing is extreme and so insanely deliberate.

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the EDGE wrote:
24 Oct 2024, 12:44
I'm surprised they didn't pit Oscar for fastest lap, he had enough of a gap to retain position
I think that comes to two reasons. One is that they were catching Verstappen quite quickly, perhaps they hoped to overtake Verstappen or just force him to lose time defending. With Norris almost making 5 seconds that was a good idea. Second idea may be to get close to VER if he gets a 5 second penalty. By the time it was clear nothing of that will happen, it was too late to pit.

Such a shame PIA was not closer to NOR when NOR overtook VER. I doubt VER would be able to keep under 5 seconds if PIA was attacking him.

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That's right, Tom told Oscar to keep close to VER in case Max got 5s penalty. Only in last lap Osc slowed down to get more than 5s gap to Lando.